[annotator-dev] Switch to JavaScript?

Thu Jun 19 16:06:53 UTC 2014

When considering billable time, consider this:

Either you are contributing to an existing module / plugin / object /
function / whatever,
or you or building something new.

If you are building something new, like a new Annotator plugin, you can
already build in JS, so CS is not needed at all.

If you are contributing to an existing module, then you have a working
Coffee environment; you only have to copy the syntax you see all around
you. (The semantics is JS.) So I would say that it means at most +20%
time at first, which quickly (in 1-2 weeks) goes down to zero.

Of course, YMMV.

   Kristof

On 2014-06-18 13:56, Steph Skardal wrote:
> Removing CoffeeScript entirely would be appealing to me as a potential
> contributor. While I agree it is not a difficult language to learn,
> the reality of it is that my billable time using Annotator won't
> support non-billable time learning CoffeeScript to contribute to the
> core. I know my way around CoffeeScript a bit, but not enough to
> contribute and write tests efficiently, so it is a barrier for me.
>
> That being said, I can see the advantages of CoffeeScript already
> described.
>
> Steph
>
>
>
> On 6/18/2014 5:02 AM, Gergely, Ujvari wrote:
>> I think Coffeescript is not a difficult language to learn. It was quite
>> easy for me to  learn it.
>> It improves many cumbersome aspects of js.
>> I think it'd be a real letdown to use js instead of coffee.
>> And  anyone can write pure js plugins to annotator.
>>
>> Gergely
>>
>> 2014.06.18. 10:57 keltezéssel, Robert Casties írta:
>>> On 18.06.14 09:20, Kristof Csillag wrote:
>>>> What do you mean by "switching"?
>>>>   1. Deciding to accept new incoming JS code, alongside new incoming
>>>> Coffee code?
>>>> 2. Deciding that all new incoming code must be JS?
>>>> 3. Removing all the Coffee, and replacing it all with JS? (Either by
>>>> automatic compilation, or manually?)
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I am not sure if it is much of a barrier.
>>>>
>>>> When I entered the project, making sense of the internals were
>>>> *significantly* more difficult to me than making sense of Coffee,
>>>> which
>>>> was new to me at that time.
>>> Same with me. Learning to use Coffee was a rather small hurdle (and it
>>> makes writing good code easier) compared to setting up the build
>>> process
>>> and understanding the moving parts of the code.
>>>
>>> I think the build process does not become much simpler without coffee
>>> and you would have to invent your own Javascript patterns for things
>>> Coffee does if you wanted to convert everything to plain JS.
>>>
>>> But I don't write much code in Annotator-core so everything you prefer
>>> would be fine with me.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>     Robert
>>>
>>>> On 2014-06-18 05:37, Randall Leeds wrote:
>>>>> Anyone opposed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Might lower the tooling and learning barrier.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been a defender of it and invested some time in the tooling but
>>>>> I'd be okay moving away from it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No thought of timing here, re 2.0 or anything. Just taking the
>>>>> temperature.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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