[ckan-dev] Dat Integration

Tue Sep 15 04:34:44 UTC 2015

Well, I think it's a little more nuanced. Dat can also auto-generate
keys, so anyone who wants to update a dataset would have to supply the
keys they're updating, which would make data provenance much easier.
Even if CKAN only uses file storage by default, having dat available
in core opens up the capability for people to add by-row versioning,
all with a simple parameter of what column is the primary key/unique
id.

It seems clear that we are in the beginning stages still of having
robust open data standards... in the future,  there will be more robust
specification of dataset metadata -- especially supplying schemas, what
we're talking about here. This will only become more ubiquitous as people use
the datasets and the ecosystem matures. Exciting stuff!

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Marianne Bellotti
<marianne at exversion.com> wrote:
> So treating them as binary files would essentially only give you the same
> level of version control that CKAN out of the box does already?
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 20:37:50 -0700
>> From: Karissa McKelvey <karissa.mckelvey at gmail.com>
>> To: CKAN Development Discussions <ckan-dev at lists.okfn.org>
>> Subject: Re: [ckan-dev] Dat Integration
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>> Dat has the ability to write binary files to disk, so you don't need
>> to supply a key. In that mode, dat doesn't parse the data using a
>> tabular parser e.g, csv, json, xlsx.
>>
>> In that scenario, though, it can't do diffs by row. If the user
>> supplies the key, probably best to do this through the UI, then it
>> could version the differences by rows in the table.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Marianne Bellotti
>> <marianne at exversion.com> wrote:
>> > Well since Joel is going to pull me into this discussion I might as well
>> > give my thoughts :)
>> >
>> > The one thing I keep coming back to with Dat integration for CKAN is
>> > keys.
>> > How will CKAN know which column in the dataset to use as the primary key
>> > for
>> > Dat's version control? Without assigning a key any new versions will
>> > just be
>> > added as new data in Dat so it's sort of an important thing.
>> >
>> > Does CKAN guess it? Does the user assign it through the resource form?
>> > If
>> > the user assigns it how do you communicate to non-technical people
>> > exactly
>> > what information they are supposed to supply? What happens when someone
>> > does
>> > something wrong? Is version control turned off or just allowed to run
>> > incorrectly? What happens if the data doesn't actually have a unique key
>> > that the user can assign?
>> >
>> > I still have not come up with good answers to these questions.
>> >
>> > -Marianne
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:20 PM, <ckan-dev-request at lists.okfn.org>
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>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:20:26 +1000
>> >> From: Steven De Costa <steven.decosta at linkdigital.com.au>
>> >> To: CKAN Development Discussions <ckan-dev at lists.okfn.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [ckan-dev] Future, flask, breaking things, funding.
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>> >> I'll be in San Francisco 4-6 October if you wanted to catch up and look
>> >> at
>> >> it together Karissa?
>> >>
>> >> I also have some thoughts about remaining flexible in the storage types
>> >> that CKAN might support. Basically, it would be nice if these were
>> >> abstracted into an API and created via the admin as provisioning
>> >> requests.
>> >> This would allow a platform to provision a variety of storage options
>> >> and
>> >> enable them at a resource level similar to the resource views at the UI
>> >> level. It would also allow for network level security models to be
>> >> employed, or data storage sovereignty to be maintained in accordance to
>> >> to
>> >> jurisdictional or security classification. Maybe we could call these
>> >> resource containers?
>> >>
>> >> Happy to catch up with anyone in SF re CKAN :) In fact, happy to run a
>> >> meetup there if there is interest... physical + video conference.
>> >>
>> >> I'm in Vegas for re:Invent on the 7th to 9th too :) It would be good to
>> >> form a huddle of CKANers at the re:Play party on the 8th!
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Steven
>> >>
>> >> *STEVEN DE COSTA *|
>> >> *EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR*www.linkdigital.com.au
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 15 September 2015 at 08:41, Karissa McKelvey
>> >> <karissa.mckelvey at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I think Dat would be a great way to allow programmatic access to
>> >> > datasets
>> >> > in CKAN. Dat handles streaming data very well. I imagine being able
>> >> > to
>> >> > replace the `.csv` with a `.dat` and get streaming and incremental
>> >> > uploads
>> >> > and downloads.
>> >> >
>> >> > Dat has a two-phase sync process, the first computes the differences
>> >> > between the local and remote copy, and the second syncs the data that
>> >> > is
>> >> > different. This leads to users never having to download the same data
>> >> > twice, and reduces bandwidth costs for the host. Because dat knows
>> >> > the
>> >> > differences between each data version, it is also a really
>> >> > lightweight
>> >> > way
>> >> > to see and overview of previous data versions for a single dataset.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd be happy to chat more about how this might work in practice!
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Karissa McKelvey <
>> >> > karissa.mckelvey at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I think Dat would be a great way to allow programmatic access to
>> >> >> datasets
>> >> >> in CKAN. Dat handles streaming data very well. I imagine being able
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> replace the `.csv` with a `.dat` and get streaming and incremental
>> >> >> uploads
>> >> >> and downloads.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dat has a two-phase sync process, the first computes the differences
>> >> >> between the local and remote copy, and the second syncs the data
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> different. This leads to users never having to download the same
>> >> >> data
>> >> >> twice, and reduces bandwidth costs for the host. Because dat knows
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> differences between each data version, it is also a really
>> >> >> lightweight
>> >> >> way
>> >> >> to see and overview of previous data versions for a single dataset.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'd be happy to chat more about how this might work in practice!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Joel Natividad <
>> >> >> joel.natividad at ontodia.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hi all,
>> >> >>> What about integrating with Dat <http://dat-data.com>?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It handles streaming data; can handle huge datasets; can do deltas
>> >> >>> (no
>> >> >>> need to re-download a huge dataset over and over again) ; has
>> >> >>> versions
>> >> >>> (not
>> >> >>> just revisions as data consumers have legitimate reasons to use
>> >> >>> different
>> >> >>> versions of data, down to the row level), and makes CKAN more
>> >> >>> "dog-fooding"
>> >> >>> friendly (i.e. publishers using it not only to publish data, but to
>> >> >>> actually build solutions ).
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Marianne Bellotti (CKAN-powered HDX) and I independently spent some
>> >> >>> quality time with Karissa McKelvey - one of the three key
>> >> >>> developers
>> >> >>> behind Dat <http://dat-data.com/team>, when she was in NYC last
>> >> >>> month
>> >> >>> and discussed at length how Dat + CKAN can work together.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Karissa even put together a rough spec on a "ckanext-dat"
>> >> >>> extension.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> FYI, Dat is supported by usopendata.org
>> >> >>> <https://usopendata.org/2015/07/29/dat-beta/>, which also happens
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> be
>> >> >>> the org behind CKAN-Multisite, which was just announced as
>> >> >>> generally
>> >> >>> available today.
>> >> >>> <https://usopendata.org/2015/09/14/ckan-multisite/>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Best,
>> >> >>> Joel
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Joel Natividad
>> >> >>> +1 347-565-5635
>> >> >>> @jqnatividad
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Ontodia, Inc.
>> >> >>> 137 Varick Street, 2nd Floor, New York, NY 10013
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Steven De Costa <
>> >> >>> steven.decosta at linkdigital.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> I'm 'all in' on this discussion :) I'll setup a doodle and we can
>> >> >>>> pick
>> >> >>>> a time to do a video call...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> My 2c on some points.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> 1. Perhaps redev could be bottom up. Start with resources and
>> >> >>>> widen
>> >> >>>> its
>> >> >>>> ability. Crud can then be rebuilt over the top.
>> >> >>>> 2. Carefully consider the longest term possible and how the app
>> >> >>>> may
>> >> >>>> mature in the future.
>> >> >>>> 3. Consider interoperability between n+1 platforms via linked open
>> >> >>>> data, again with realtime in mind
>> >> >>>> 4. Consider packages further. Could we add new package types that
>> >> >>>> are
>> >> >>>> built on 3.0 thinking and have them co exist with current
>> >> >>>> packages?
>> >> >>>> If so
>> >> >>>> then existing extensions could be modified less dramatically to
>> >> >>>> apply
>> >> >>>> only
>> >> >>>> to v2 packages.
>> >> >>>> 5. Think about migration scenarios. Could a v2 CKAN remain as a
>> >> >>>> dumb
>> >> >>>> web app harvesting from a 3.0? If so, we could priorities
>> >> >>>> workflows
>> >> >>>> around
>> >> >>>> custodians and ETL before end users.
>> >> >>>> 6. Yes I'm sure others in the steering group would support the
>> >> >>>> work.
>> >> >>>> Just remember they are also just volunteers :)
>> >> >>>> 7. Yes I'm sure funding could come from the Association, just so
>> >> >>>> long
>> >> >>>> as funding first goes into the association. So, we'd all have a
>> >> >>>> part
>> >> >>>> to
>> >> >>>> play in signing up paying members - happy to take any leads from
>> >> >>>> people on
>> >> >>>> that point :)
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hoots!
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015, Denis Zgonjanin <
>> >> >>>> deniszgonjanin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> Yes, we should think of use cases. Realtime data is just one. I'm
>> >> >>>>> not
>> >> >>>>> just talking about things we might want to do. Here are the
>> >> >>>>> current
>> >> >>>>> things
>> >> >>>>> in CKAN that would benefit from better asynchronous support:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> - Datastore & Datapusher. We could integrate datapusher into
>> >> >>>>> CKAN,
>> >> >>>>> so
>> >> >>>>> people don't need to set up an additional web service just to use
>> >> >>>>> stock
>> >> >>>>> CKAN.
>> >> >>>>> - Harvesting. Set up a periodic callback that calls harvest
>> >> >>>>> sources
>> >> >>>>> every hour. Super easy when compared to having to set up
>> >> >>>>> reddit/ZeroMQ, and
>> >> >>>>> another 3(!) long-running processes running in the background.
>> >> >>>>> - Webhooks. They must be pushed off to a celery queue because of
>> >> >>>>> Pylons. With async they could be fired off easily.
>> >> >>>>> - Analytics & analytics reports; Sending automated emails and
>> >> >>>>> other
>> >> >>>>> automated tasks.
>> >> >>>>> - Anything where right now we have to set up cron jobs.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> And probably most importantly - CKAN is going to need a face lift
>> >> >>>>> eventually if it's to remain relevant. It can't be stuck in CRUD
>> >> >>>>> land
>> >> >>>>> forever. There is plenty of time for this, no rush. But building
>> >> >>>>> cool
>> >> >>>>> shinny new things with fancy front-end javascript would be hard
>> >> >>>>> right now.
>> >> >>>>> It will be hard on any web framework built on the idea that your
>> >> >>>>> whole
>> >> >>>>> application context is transferred to the user on every HTTP
>> >> >>>>> request, and
>> >> >>>>> that nothing else except that is going on in the backend.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 9:34 AM, St?phane Guidoin <
>> >> >>>>> stephane.guidoin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> *Now that government is (slowly) catching on, more stream, API,
>> >> >>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>> even real-time data is being published. CKAN doesn't do a great
>> >> >>>>>> job
>> >> >>>>>> here.
>> >> >>>>>> The biggest obstacle to creating nice extensions to CKAN for
>> >> >>>>>> non-file data
>> >> >>>>>> is that Pylons is still firmly stuck within the HTTP
>> >> >>>>>> request-response
>> >> >>>>>> lifecycle. *
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> I wonder what should be the role of CKAN when it comes to APIs,
>> >> >>>>>> streams and other things. Those stuff tend to be fairly resource
>> >> >>>>>> intensive
>> >> >>>>>> and most of the time, they are developed and hosted on their
>> >> >>>>>> own,
>> >> >>>>>> not on
>> >> >>>>>> the open data portal. So what should be the role of CKAN on
>> >> >>>>>> this?
>> >> >>>>>> How much
>> >> >>>>>> do we want to be able to integrate CKAN with APIs and streams,
>> >> >>>>>> what
>> >> >>>>>> should
>> >> >>>>>> it give?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> From my point of view, moving to Flask or other, framework is
>> >> >>>>>> mostly
>> >> >>>>>> a question of technical debt (
>> >> >>>>>> https://18f.gsa.gov/2015/08/07/technical-debt-1/) and making
>> >> >>>>>> sure
>> >> >>>>>> CKAN remains flexible (and build-in async would indeed help)
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> When it comes to see how to support realtime data, even if it's
>> >> >>>>>> to
>> >> >>>>>> mainly enable extension development, some thinking about use
>> >> >>>>>> case
>> >> >>>>>> is needed
>> >> >>>>>> in order to avoid jumping into something that would be very time
>> >> >>>>>> intensive
>> >> >>>>>> in terms of dev.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> St?phane
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On 2015-09-14 08:57, Denis Zgonjanin wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Right now CKAN is great for static sources of data, which is
>> >> >>>>>> really
>> >> >>>>>> all that existed from government sources when CKAN was first
>> >> >>>>>> written.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Now that government is (slowly) catching on, more stream, API,
>> >> >>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>> even real-time data is being published. CKAN doesn't do a great
>> >> >>>>>> job
>> >> >>>>>> here.
>> >> >>>>>> The biggest obstacle to creating nice extensions to CKAN for
>> >> >>>>>> non-file data
>> >> >>>>>> is that Pylons is still firmly stuck within the HTTP
>> >> >>>>>> request-response
>> >> >>>>>> lifecycle.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> This worked well for CRUD apps, but now is really showing it's
>> >> >>>>>> limitations. It's hard to do anything in CKAN that doesn't take
>> >> >>>>>> place
>> >> >>>>>> within the context of a user's HTTP request. If you want to do
>> >> >>>>>> some
>> >> >>>>>> extra
>> >> >>>>>> data processing on the side, you have to use celery queues or
>> >> >>>>>> worse, cron.
>> >> >>>>>> Worse yet, some people do try to put extra processing inside the
>> >> >>>>>> request-response lifecycle, causing problems.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Even core CKAN is guilty of this. For example, CKAN will call
>> >> >>>>>> datapusher to send upload jobs and retrieve job results, and
>> >> >>>>>> those
>> >> >>>>>> requests
>> >> >>>>>> to datapusher happen while the user is waiting for the request
>> >> >>>>>> to
>> >> >>>>>> return.
>> >> >>>>>> This is kind of terrible. Not even because somebody did it this
>> >> >>>>>> way, but
>> >> >>>>>> because CKAN doesn't give you a sane alternative to do it
>> >> >>>>>> properly.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Porting CKAN to flask is no small feat, so let's make sure we do
>> >> >>>>>> it
>> >> >>>>>> right. Now that we're not using CKAN to just host static files
>> >> >>>>>> anymore, we
>> >> >>>>>> need to have better, built-in async support in CKAN. Perhaps
>> >> >>>>>> this
>> >> >>>>>> means
>> >> >>>>>> moving to Python 3 where we'll have asyncio (and hopefully a
>> >> >>>>>> future
>> >> >>>>>> version
>> >> >>>>>> of flask will work well with it). Other frameworks, like
>> >> >>>>>> tornado,
>> >> >>>>>> are also
>> >> >>>>>> quite lightweight and support this out of the box for python
>> >> >>>>>> 2.x.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> - Denis
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Angelos Tzotsos <
>> >> >>>>>> gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> On 09/14/2015 10:24 AM, Ross Jones wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> I?ve recently been playing about with implementing parts of
>> >> >>>>>>>> CKAN
>> >> >>>>>>>> in
>> >> >>>>>>>> Flask side-by-side with the current Pylons implementation. I?m
>> >> >>>>>>>> doing it
>> >> >>>>>>>> like this so that it isn?t immediately obvious that there?s a
>> >> >>>>>>>> migration
>> >> >>>>>>>> happening towards using Flask (aka nothing breaks).  I don?t
>> >> >>>>>>>> think this
>> >> >>>>>>>> branch should ever be merged, it?s more exploratory but it has
>> >> >>>>>>>> raised some
>> >> >>>>>>>> questions that I think it would be good to discuss.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> WARNING:anecdata
>> >> >>>>>>>> It?s pretty clear that the vast majority of people asked would
>> >> >>>>>>>> like
>> >> >>>>>>>> to move to Flask as a replacement for some layers of the
>> >> >>>>>>>> system
>> >> >>>>>>>> (leaving
>> >> >>>>>>>> things like logic and plugins alone).
>> >> >>>>>>>> ENDWARNING
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> We?ve discussed at the tech-team meetings, but I think a
>> >> >>>>>>>> longer,
>> >> >>>>>>>> more accessible conversation would be beneficial.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> 1. What version of CKAN should be targeted? Common sense
>> >> >>>>>>>> suggests
>> >> >>>>>>>> 3.0, but that being the case, exactly how far can we go in
>> >> >>>>>>>> breaking some
>> >> >>>>>>>> backward compatibility?  This isn?t really a technical
>> >> >>>>>>>> question -
>> >> >>>>>>>> would be
>> >> >>>>>>>> good to hear what the community would accept ?
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> 2. Does it *really* need to be side-by-side?  Running Flask
>> >> >>>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>>>> Pylons side-by-side means staying on Python 2 for another few
>> >> >>>>>>>> years
>> >> >>>>>>>> (because Pylons).  A reasonably deep incision and removal of
>> >> >>>>>>>> non-logic/non-plugin code would make a move to Py3 easier, but
>> >> >>>>>>>> with some
>> >> >>>>>>>> level of breakage in external plugins. Staying on 2 would mean
>> >> >>>>>>>> a
>> >> >>>>>>>> move to 3
>> >> >>>>>>>> at a later date and more pain.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> 3. Would the CKAN Association like to fund someone to do some
>> >> >>>>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>> this work? This is just one of several ideas mentioned on
>> >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/ckan/ideas-and-roadmap/issues/152 that
>> >> >>>>>>>> really
>> >> >>>>>>>> needs to be done if CKAN is going to thrive instead of just
>> >> >>>>>>>> survive.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Any feedback welcome?
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Cheers
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Ross.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Hi Ross,
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> I believe that a Flask port (or rewrite) is an excellent idea
>> >> >>>>>>> for
>> >> >>>>>>> CKAN 3.0 in order to support Python 3.x
>> >> >>>>>>> The alternative would be to port Pylons to Python 3.x, which
>> >> >>>>>>> perhaps
>> >> >>>>>>> is a more difficult task...
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Given that Python 2.x will EOL relatively soon, CKAN should
>> >> >>>>>>> move
>> >> >>>>>>> forward.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Best,
>> >> >>>>>>> Angelos
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>> Angelos Tzotsos, PhD
>> >> >>>>>>> OSGeo Charter Member
>> >> >>>>>>> http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos
>> >> >>>>>>>
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>> >> >> http://karissa.github.io/ <http://karissamck.com>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
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>> >> > http://karissa.github.io/
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>> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 20:39:03 -0700
>> From: Karissa McKelvey <karissa.mckelvey at gmail.com>
>> To: CKAN Development Discussions <ckan-dev at lists.okfn.org>
>> Subject: Re: [ckan-dev] Future, flask, breaking things, funding.
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>> Hey Steven! Yeah, let's get together. I'll be around those days.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Steven De Costa <
>>
>> steven.decosta at linkdigital.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> > I'll be in San Francisco 4-6 October if you wanted to catch up and look
>> > at
>> > it together Karissa?
>> >
>> > I also have some thoughts about remaining flexible in the storage types
>> > that CKAN might support. Basically, it would be nice if these were
>> > abstracted into an API and created via the admin as provisioning
>> > requests.
>> > This would allow a platform to provision a variety of storage options
>> > and
>> > enable them at a resource level similar to the resource views at the UI
>> > level. It would also allow for network level security models to be
>> > employed, or data storage sovereignty to be maintained in accordance to
>> > to
>> > jurisdictional or security classification. Maybe we could call these
>> > resource containers?
>> >
>> > Happy to catch up with anyone in SF re CKAN :) In fact, happy to run a
>> > meetup there if there is interest... physical + video conference.
>> >
>> > I'm in Vegas for re:Invent on the 7th to 9th too :) It would be good to
>> > form a huddle of CKANers at the re:Play party on the 8th!
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Steven
>> >
>> > *STEVEN DE COSTA *|
>> > *EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR*www.linkdigital.com.au
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 15 September 2015 at 08:41, Karissa McKelvey <
>> > karissa.mckelvey at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think Dat would be a great way to allow programmatic access to
>> >> datasets
>> >> in CKAN. Dat handles streaming data very well. I imagine being able to
>> >> replace the `.csv` with a `.dat` and get streaming and incremental
>> >> uploads
>> >> and downloads.
>> >>
>> >> Dat has a two-phase sync process, the first computes the differences
>> >> between the local and remote copy, and the second syncs the data that
>> >> is
>> >> different. This leads to users never having to download the same data
>> >> twice, and reduces bandwidth costs for the host. Because dat knows the
>> >> differences between each data version, it is also a really lightweight
>> >> way
>> >> to see and overview of previous data versions for a single dataset.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be happy to chat more about how this might work in practice!
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Karissa McKelvey <
>> >> karissa.mckelvey at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I think Dat would be a great way to allow programmatic access to
>> >>> datasets in CKAN. Dat handles streaming data very well. I imagine
>> >>> being
>> >>> able to replace the `.csv` with a `.dat` and get streaming and
>> >>> incremental
>> >>> uploads and downloads.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dat has a two-phase sync process, the first computes the differences
>> >>> between the local and remote copy, and the second syncs the data that
>> >>> is
>> >>> different. This leads to users never having to download the same data
>> >>> twice, and reduces bandwidth costs for the host. Because dat knows the
>> >>> differences between each data version, it is also a really lightweight
>> >>> way
>> >>> to see and overview of previous data versions for a single dataset.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'd be happy to chat more about how this might work in practice!
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Joel Natividad <
>> >>> joel.natividad at ontodia.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi all,
>> >>>> What about integrating with Dat <http://dat-data.com>?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It handles streaming data; can handle huge datasets; can do deltas
>> >>>> (no
>> >>>> need to re-download a huge dataset over and over again) ; has
>> >>>> versions (not
>> >>>> just revisions as data consumers have legitimate reasons to use
>> >>>> different
>> >>>> versions of data, down to the row level), and makes CKAN more
>> >>>> "dog-fooding"
>> >>>> friendly (i.e. publishers using it not only to publish data, but to
>> >>>> actually build solutions ).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Marianne Bellotti (CKAN-powered HDX) and I independently spent some
>> >>>> quality time with Karissa McKelvey - one of the three key developers
>> >>>> behind Dat <http://dat-data.com/team>, when she was in NYC last month
>> >>>> and discussed at length how Dat + CKAN can work together.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Karissa even put together a rough spec on a "ckanext-dat" extension.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> FYI, Dat is supported by usopendata.org
>> >>>> <https://usopendata.org/2015/07/29/dat-beta/>, which also happens to
>> >>>> be the org behind CKAN-Multisite, which was just announced as
>> >>>> generally available today.
>> >>>> <https://usopendata.org/2015/09/14/ckan-multisite/>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>> Joel
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Joel Natividad
>> >>>> +1 347-565-5635
>> >>>> @jqnatividad
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ontodia, Inc.
>> >>>> 137 Varick Street, 2nd Floor, New York, NY 10013
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Steven De Costa <
>> >>>> steven.decosta at linkdigital.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I'm 'all in' on this discussion :) I'll setup a doodle and we can
>> >>>>> pick
>> >>>>> a time to do a video call...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> My 2c on some points.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 1. Perhaps redev could be bottom up. Start with resources and widen
>> >>>>> its ability. Crud can then be rebuilt over the top.
>> >>>>> 2. Carefully consider the longest term possible and how the app may
>> >>>>> mature in the future.
>> >>>>> 3. Consider interoperability between n+1 platforms via linked open
>> >>>>> data, again with realtime in mind
>> >>>>> 4. Consider packages further. Could we add new package types that
>> >>>>> are
>> >>>>> built on 3.0 thinking and have them co exist with current packages?
>> >>>>> If so
>> >>>>> then existing extensions could be modified less dramatically to
>> >>>>> apply only
>> >>>>> to v2 packages.
>> >>>>> 5. Think about migration scenarios. Could a v2 CKAN remain as a dumb
>> >>>>> web app harvesting from a 3.0? If so, we could priorities workflows
>> >>>>> around
>> >>>>> custodians and ETL before end users.
>> >>>>> 6. Yes I'm sure others in the steering group would support the work.
>> >>>>> Just remember they are also just volunteers :)
>> >>>>> 7. Yes I'm sure funding could come from the Association, just so
>> >>>>> long
>> >>>>> as funding first goes into the association. So, we'd all have a part
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> play in signing up paying members - happy to take any leads from
>> >>>>> people on
>> >>>>> that point :)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hoots!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2015, Denis Zgonjanin <
>> >>>>> deniszgonjanin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yes, we should think of use cases. Realtime data is just one. I'm
>> >>>>>> not
>> >>>>>> just talking about things we might want to do. Here are the current
>> >>>>>> things
>> >>>>>> in CKAN that would benefit from better asynchronous support:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> - Datastore & Datapusher. We could integrate datapusher into CKAN,
>> >>>>>> so
>> >>>>>> people don't need to set up an additional web service just to use
>> >>>>>> stock
>> >>>>>> CKAN.
>> >>>>>> - Harvesting. Set up a periodic callback that calls harvest sources
>> >>>>>> every hour. Super easy when compared to having to set up
>> >>>>>> reddit/ZeroMQ, and
>> >>>>>> another 3(!) long-running processes running in the background.
>> >>>>>> - Webhooks. They must be pushed off to a celery queue because of
>> >>>>>> Pylons. With async they could be fired off easily.
>> >>>>>> - Analytics & analytics reports; Sending automated emails and other
>> >>>>>> automated tasks.
>> >>>>>> - Anything where right now we have to set up cron jobs.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> And probably most importantly - CKAN is going to need a face lift
>> >>>>>> eventually if it's to remain relevant. It can't be stuck in CRUD
>> >>>>>> land
>> >>>>>> forever. There is plenty of time for this, no rush. But building
>> >>>>>> cool
>> >>>>>> shinny new things with fancy front-end javascript would be hard
>> >>>>>> right now.
>> >>>>>> It will be hard on any web framework built on the idea that your
>> >>>>>> whole
>> >>>>>> application context is transferred to the user on every HTTP
>> >>>>>> request, and
>> >>>>>> that nothing else except that is going on in the backend.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 9:34 AM, St?phane Guidoin <
>> >>>>>> stephane.guidoin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> *Now that government is (slowly) catching on, more stream, API,
>> >>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> even real-time data is being published. CKAN doesn't do a great
>> >>>>>>> job here.
>> >>>>>>> The biggest obstacle to creating nice extensions to CKAN for
>> >>>>>>> non-file data
>> >>>>>>> is that Pylons is still firmly stuck within the HTTP
>> >>>>>>> request-response
>> >>>>>>> lifecycle. *
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I wonder what should be the role of CKAN when it comes to APIs,
>> >>>>>>> streams and other things. Those stuff tend to be fairly resource
>> >>>>>>> intensive
>> >>>>>>> and most of the time, they are developed and hosted on their own,
>> >>>>>>> not on
>> >>>>>>> the open data portal. So what should be the role of CKAN on this?
>> >>>>>>> How much
>> >>>>>>> do we want to be able to integrate CKAN with APIs and streams,
>> >>>>>>> what should
>> >>>>>>> it give?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> From my point of view, moving to Flask or other, framework is
>> >>>>>>> mostly
>> >>>>>>> a question of technical debt (
>> >>>>>>> https://18f.gsa.gov/2015/08/07/technical-debt-1/) and making sure
>> >>>>>>> CKAN remains flexible (and build-in async would indeed help)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> When it comes to see how to support realtime data, even if it's to
>> >>>>>>> mainly enable extension development, some thinking about use case
>> >>>>>>> is needed
>> >>>>>>> in order to avoid jumping into something that would be very time
>> >>>>>>> intensive
>> >>>>>>> in terms of dev.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> St?phane
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 2015-09-14 08:57, Denis Zgonjanin wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Right now CKAN is great for static sources of data, which is
>> >>>>>>> really
>> >>>>>>> all that existed from government sources when CKAN was first
>> >>>>>>> written.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Now that government is (slowly) catching on, more stream, API, and
>> >>>>>>> even real-time data is being published. CKAN doesn't do a great
>> >>>>>>> job here.
>> >>>>>>> The biggest obstacle to creating nice extensions to CKAN for
>> >>>>>>> non-file data
>> >>>>>>> is that Pylons is still firmly stuck within the HTTP
>> >>>>>>> request-response
>> >>>>>>> lifecycle.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> This worked well for CRUD apps, but now is really showing it's
>> >>>>>>> limitations. It's hard to do anything in CKAN that doesn't take
>> >>>>>>> place
>> >>>>>>> within the context of a user's HTTP request. If you want to do
>> >>>>>>> some extra
>> >>>>>>> data processing on the side, you have to use celery queues or
>> >>>>>>> worse, cron.
>> >>>>>>> Worse yet, some people do try to put extra processing inside the
>> >>>>>>> request-response lifecycle, causing problems.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Even core CKAN is guilty of this. For example, CKAN will call
>> >>>>>>> datapusher to send upload jobs and retrieve job results, and those
>> >>>>>>> requests
>> >>>>>>> to datapusher happen while the user is waiting for the request to
>> >>>>>>> return.
>> >>>>>>> This is kind of terrible. Not even because somebody did it this
>> >>>>>>> way, but
>> >>>>>>> because CKAN doesn't give you a sane alternative to do it
>> >>>>>>> properly.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Porting CKAN to flask is no small feat, so let's make sure we do
>> >>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>> right. Now that we're not using CKAN to just host static files
>> >>>>>>> anymore, we
>> >>>>>>> need to have better, built-in async support in CKAN. Perhaps this
>> >>>>>>> means
>> >>>>>>> moving to Python 3 where we'll have asyncio (and hopefully a
>> >>>>>>> future version
>> >>>>>>> of flask will work well with it). Other frameworks, like tornado,
>> >>>>>>> are also
>> >>>>>>> quite lightweight and support this out of the box for python 2.x.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> - Denis
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Angelos Tzotsos <
>> >>>>>>> gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 09/14/2015 10:24 AM, Ross Jones wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I?ve recently been playing about with implementing parts of CKAN
>> >>>>>>>>> in Flask side-by-side with the current Pylons implementation.
>> >>>>>>>>> I?m doing it
>> >>>>>>>>> like this so that it isn?t immediately obvious that there?s a
>> >>>>>>>>> migration
>> >>>>>>>>> happening towards using Flask (aka nothing breaks).  I don?t
>> >>>>>>>>> think this
>> >>>>>>>>> branch should ever be merged, it?s more exploratory but it has
>> >>>>>>>>> raised some
>> >>>>>>>>> questions that I think it would be good to discuss.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> WARNING:anecdata
>> >>>>>>>>> It?s pretty clear that the vast majority of people asked would
>> >>>>>>>>> like to move to Flask as a replacement for some layers of the
>> >>>>>>>>> system
>> >>>>>>>>> (leaving things like logic and plugins alone).
>> >>>>>>>>> ENDWARNING
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> We?ve discussed at the tech-team meetings, but I think a longer,
>> >>>>>>>>> more accessible conversation would be beneficial.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 1. What version of CKAN should be targeted? Common sense
>> >>>>>>>>> suggests
>> >>>>>>>>> 3.0, but that being the case, exactly how far can we go in
>> >>>>>>>>> breaking some
>> >>>>>>>>> backward compatibility?  This isn?t really a technical question
>> >>>>>>>>> - would be
>> >>>>>>>>> good to hear what the community would accept ?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 2. Does it *really* need to be side-by-side?  Running Flask and
>> >>>>>>>>> Pylons side-by-side means staying on Python 2 for another few
>> >>>>>>>>> years
>> >>>>>>>>> (because Pylons).  A reasonably deep incision and removal of
>> >>>>>>>>> non-logic/non-plugin code would make a move to Py3 easier, but
>> >>>>>>>>> with some
>> >>>>>>>>> level of breakage in external plugins. Staying on 2 would mean a
>> >>>>>>>>> move to 3
>> >>>>>>>>> at a later date and more pain.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 3. Would the CKAN Association like to fund someone to do some of
>> >>>>>>>>> this work? This is just one of several ideas mentioned on
>> >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/ckan/ideas-and-roadmap/issues/152 that really
>> >>>>>>>>> needs to be done if CKAN is going to thrive instead of just
>> >>>>>>>>> survive.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Any feedback welcome?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Ross.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hi Ross,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I believe that a Flask port (or rewrite) is an excellent idea for
>> >>>>>>>> CKAN 3.0 in order to support Python 3.x
>> >>>>>>>> The alternative would be to port Pylons to Python 3.x, which
>> >>>>>>>> perhaps is a more difficult task...
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Given that Python 2.x will EOL relatively soon, CKAN should move
>> >>>>>>>> forward.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Best,
>> >>>>>>>> Angelos
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> Angelos Tzotsos, PhD
>> >>>>>>>> OSGeo Charter Member
>> >>>>>>>> http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos
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