[data.edu.au] [@OKFNau] [OKFN-AU] CKAN -au User Group

Fri Nov 15 23:16:48 UTC 2013

Agreed re using lists, accordingly, I'm Cc'ing the Data.edu.au lists, is
there a list for data.gov.au we can Cc as well for these cross-sector
discussions?

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
<maxious at gmail.com>wrote:

> The hard work is just sharing what's going on ;)
>
> I probably should respond on the real mailing list but...
>
> Yes, CSW is the best way to get geodata catalogs into CKAN, see the work
> CSIRO have been doing with CKAN and NeCTAR and GeoNetwork
> https://www.seegrid.csiro.au/wiki/Infosrvices/CKANSpatialExtensionsReview
> https://www.seegrid.csiro.au/wiki/Infosrvices/CKANHarvestingGuide
>
> If you can see an easier interface for SLIP Future in particular, we
> probably need some Australia centric harvester plugins (Google Earth
> Enterprise and Google Maps Engine anyone?). The current spatial
> functionality is inspired by the EU INSPIRE directive (pun intentional) so
> it's not very generic and you need to pull in the US plugin to get ArcGIS
> harvesting etc.. I really should finish my hacky WMS/WFS Geoserver
> harvester!
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM, David F. Flanders <dff.okfn at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Well be starting in on data.edu.au soon, very much in hopes if
>> federating across multiple CKAN instances so researchers have more access
>> to government data.
>>
>> We've already started discussing spatial.data.edu.au and
>> equipment.data.edu.au... Alongside encouraging researchers to pot up their
>> free and open spreadsheets at data.edu.AU/tabular and the like.
>>
>> Any cross sector sharing greatly appreciated :)
>>
>> Best, Flanders
>> On Nov 15, 2013 12:45 AM, "Keith Moss" <keithamoss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Please forgive the long delayed reply. Starting exciting new secondment
>>> work plunged me straight into doing All Of The Things!
>>>
>>> I'm happy to put my hat in the ring for helping to run another thing -
>>> though Alex seems to have done most of it already :P Let me know where I
>>> can be of assistance.
>>>
>>> We've still got plans for GovPond eventually having its own CKAN
>>> attached in some fashion (*euhm* Totally not an unofficial
>>> data.wa.gov.au). At this point it's looking like that's a late Q1 2014
>>> job once I've got a few other projects released.
>>>
>>> Which reminds me: I'd like to have a word with you, Alex, (and anyone
>>> from your lot, Pia) about CKAN + CSW + data.gov.au and the best
>>> approach for publishing out of WA's new SLIP Future platform so the CKAN
>>> portals can harvest it.
>>>
>>> Come to think of it: a more general chat and update around where
>>> data.gov.au is headed would be great too (inc. getting GovPond's WA
>>> data in there + some stuff we're exploring with the CRCSI around federated
>>> searching) - once Pia's back from Antarctica?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18 October 2013 06:13, Pia Waugh <pia.waugh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll inform all the govvies about it too. Cheers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Pia Waugh <pia.waugh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> TOO FAST FOR ME! :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir <
>>>>> maxious at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I set it up and blogged about it
>>>>>> http://au.okfn.org/2013/10/16/data-down-under-and-the-ckan-users-group/
>>>>>>  :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Pia Waugh <pia.waugh at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This would be really useful and I'd certainly love to join it. I
>>>>>>> can't help run anything additional at this point, but I'd certainly point
>>>>>>> people to it and participate. If someone sets one up, please blog about it
>>>>>>> on the okfnau site and add it to the list of communities and I'll pimp it :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 9:05 AM, David F. Flanders <
>>>>>>> dff.okfn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Keith,  Yes I think this is becoming a pressing opportunity.
>>>>>>>>  I'll defer to Alex as I've not had a chance to catch up with him since
>>>>>>>> returning from Geneva and I know Alex made some impressive contacts with
>>>>>>>> the core CKAN team while he was there, so I would think Alex (and perhaps
>>>>>>>> yourself) might be a good combo to lead such a group?  I might also suggest
>>>>>>>> someone like Steve Bennett is who actively working on CKAN down here
>>>>>>>> (@Steve we might want to recruit Russell as well?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm glad to facilitate a new listserv or whatever other resources
>>>>>>>> you need in terms of blog pages or access to twitter, whatever I can do as
>>>>>>>> your secretary to help?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Flanders
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Keith Moss <keithamoss at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Morning all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just wondering if anything came of this discussion re having a
>>>>>>>>> CKAN / Data user group for Australia?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Dishwasher
>>>>>>>>> On 19/07/2013 7:42 AM, "David F. Flanders" <
>>>>>>>>> david.flanders at ands.org.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is great Alex, and I think you understand what I mean when I
>>>>>>>>>> say how important it is that Aus is represented in new features - I had a
>>>>>>>>>> bit of a rant to central OKFN the other day about this (I'm tired of there
>>>>>>>>>> just being one pin in the OKFN chapter Australia map when there is so much
>>>>>>>>>> more happening down here :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could I ask that you draft a paragraph (very short) blog post
>>>>>>>>>> stating the current state of play in Australia with regards to CKAN (I'd
>>>>>>>>>> like to make sure people don't volunteer more than a half hour towards
>>>>>>>>>> writing posts (with my own time redoubled to help promote the post)?  I've
>>>>>>>>>> got several people I'd like to to start introducing you to so we can start
>>>>>>>>>> to make a bit more noise about Open Data in Australia... we might even be
>>>>>>>>>> able to expand this group out to Asia as well, Taiwan for example?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll send a separate email re login details to the OKFN wordpress
>>>>>>>>>> platform.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again Alex.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards, Flanders
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 19 July 2013 09:01, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir <maxious at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would be pleased to take on this position! Hopefully I won't
>>>>>>>>>>> take on
>>>>>>>>>>> any more positions after this one! I eagerly await the proposed
>>>>>>>>>>> org
>>>>>>>>>>> structure to work out where best to fit, be it core group,
>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>> group, ambassador etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps broadening the title to CKAN and Data Platforms Working
>>>>>>>>>>> Group
>>>>>>>>>>> to include things like RDA and the back-office work for getting
>>>>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>>>> ready for use.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly the first thing for the group to address is the metadata
>>>>>>>>>>> customisation to meet Australian recordkeeping practices. A
>>>>>>>>>>> collective
>>>>>>>>>>> approach to pooling resources would be good here.
>>>>>>>>>>> One pie-in-the-sky goal could be to enable datasets to be
>>>>>>>>>>> categorised
>>>>>>>>>>> and browsed by the function they serve, not by the portfolio of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> organisation that made them via
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.naa.gov.au/records-management/publications/agift.aspx
>>>>>>>>>>> and/or<http://www.naa.gov.au/records-management/publications/agift.aspxand/or>COFOG.
>>>>>>>>>>> An agreement on some common subset/mapping of metadata will
>>>>>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>>>>> more important as people start to desire federation including
>>>>>>>>>>> potentially not just with State Government data platforms but
>>>>>>>>>>> cultural/academic collections and different tiers of data
>>>>>>>>>>> sources.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In terms of monitoring upcoming functionality and sending
>>>>>>>>>>> priorities
>>>>>>>>>>> back to UK/EU, the situation seem to be improving with activity
>>>>>>>>>>> points
>>>>>>>>>>> like https://trello.com/b/MkqvtXnH/ckan-roadmap-ideas-requestsor
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/okfn/ckan/wiki/Ideas:-new-feature-requests-&-ideas
>>>>>>>>>>> But we still need to track the state of play in Australasia
>>>>>>>>>>> (through
>>>>>>>>>>> datacatalogs.org and ckan.org/instances ) and work out where
>>>>>>>>>>> best to
>>>>>>>>>>> direct our resources, be it poking Europe or writing patches.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM, David F. Flanders
>>>>>>>>>>> <david.flanders at ands.org.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > I've become increasingly aware of more data.state.gov moving
>>>>>>>>>>> over to CKAN,
>>>>>>>>>>> > perhaps we considered establishing an Australasia CKAN
>>>>>>>>>>> user/admin/dev group?
>>>>>>>>>>> > I've three reasons for this (off the top of my head,
>>>>>>>>>>> additional argument for
>>>>>>>>>>> > and/or against appreciated):
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > a.) legal implications for Australasia will impact feature and
>>>>>>>>>>> functions
>>>>>>>>>>> > that need to be developed, e.g. rather than building features
>>>>>>>>>>> in isolation
>>>>>>>>>>> > pulling resources to build features such as a CKAN export to
>>>>>>>>>>> RDA?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > b.) community based groups working with these systems and
>>>>>>>>>>> their APIs will
>>>>>>>>>>> > want standardisation around datasets, etc. i.e. common use of
>>>>>>>>>>> schema.org
>>>>>>>>>>> > metadata elements/URIs so there is a common API across all
>>>>>>>>>>> data.state.gov
>>>>>>>>>>> > instances?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > c.) As a group we can better represent our interests back to
>>>>>>>>>>> the core OKFN
>>>>>>>>>>> > CKAN dev team, i.e. my contacts and understanding of the UK/EU
>>>>>>>>>>> based team
>>>>>>>>>>> > might help cut through some of the listserv blackhole that
>>>>>>>>>>> CKAN currently
>>>>>>>>>>> > seems to be experiencing, i.e. a letter sent to core CKAN with
>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>> > signatures requesting prioritization of a bug or a feature?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Most importantly, is the question of: is anyone being
>>>>>>>>>>> interested in leading
>>>>>>>>>>> > this Working Group?  My personal feeling is that it should be
>>>>>>>>>>> someone who is
>>>>>>>>>>> > somewhat neutral,. e.g. someone not running an instance of
>>>>>>>>>>> CKAN for
>>>>>>>>>>> > government.  Or perhaps someone who is associated with a CKAN
>>>>>>>>>>> but feel as if
>>>>>>>>>>> > they can state their bias clearly while chairing the group?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > BTW this goes towards the new organisational structure for
>>>>>>>>>>> OKFN that Pia and
>>>>>>>>>>> > I have been discussing with the CKAN core team, TBA.  In
>>>>>>>>>>> theory the
>>>>>>>>>>> > structure has two sets of leaders/ambassadors.  One set to
>>>>>>>>>>> lead local groups
>>>>>>>>>>> > per city/state/territory (as per Govhack) and the other set to
>>>>>>>>>>> lead special
>>>>>>>>>>> > interest groups, e.g. data journalism (Craig/Marc), Open
>>>>>>>>>>> Census (Alex),
>>>>>>>>>>> > OpenGLAM (Geoff), CKAN (???), etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Flanders
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>>>>> > -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> > Flanders' Channels:
>>>>>>>>>>> > blog: http://dfflanders.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> > twitter: http://twitter.com/dfflanders
>>>>>>>>>>> > skype: david.flanders
>>>>>>>>>>> > mobile: 0407 821 686
>>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Flanders' Channels:
>>>>>>>>>> blog: http://dfflanders.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/dfflanders<https://twitter.com/dfflanders>
>>>>>>>>>> skype: david.flanders
>>>>>>>>>> mobile: 0407 821 686
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Secretary to the Chair of the Board (interim)
>>>>>>>> Open Knowledge Foundation Network Australia
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>
>

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