[ECODP-dev] ODP - Review of website by DGT - Modus operandi proposal
John Glover
john.glover at okfn.org
Thu Sep 5 09:25:04 UTC 2013
Hi Glen,
We can't really push back further on this without risking delaying our
release, as there is still some work required on our end to update our code
and deploy it to the test server after the translations are completed, and
that work must be completed today. How much time do you think you need?
Regards,
John
On 5 September 2013 11:14, CAMPBELL Glen (OP) <
Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu> wrote:
> John,****
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> We had agreed with Darwin that 12:00 would be the cut-off time to enter
> corrections and any new translations in Transifex. Is there any chance of
> pushing this back today? ****
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> Glen ****
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> *Glen Campbell**
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> Dissemination and Reuse Directorate
> Common Portal and Open Data Portal Unit
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> *From:* John Glover [mailto:john.glover at okfn.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:54 AM
> *To:* CAMPBELL Glen (OP)
> *Cc:* Darwin Peltan; Dimitrios Mexis; Bert Van Nuffelen (
> bert.van.nuffelen at tenforce.com); HOHN Norbert (OP); ZAJAC Agnieszka (OP);
> Project list for EC ODP CKAN project
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> *Subject:* Re: ODP - Review of website by DGT - Modus operandi proposal***
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> Hi Glen,****
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> Yes, Data Portal appears in that string on the home page, and also in the
> HTML title on many pages (displayed in the tabs in Chrome for example).***
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> Regards,****
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> John****
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> On 5 September 2013 10:40, CAMPBELL Glen (OP) <
> Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu> wrote:****
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> Hi, can I just check whether I can easily add the definite article in the
> Transifex string Data Portal in all the languages and change this where
> possible to The EU Open Data Portal. Does the string appear for this phrase
> for example:****
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> 'Data Portal' contains 3 datasets that you can browse, learn about and
> download.****
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> *From:* Darwin Peltan [mailto:darwin.peltan at okfn.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 03, 2013 6:36 PM
> *To:* CAMPBELL Glen (OP)
> *Cc:* ISOARD Olivier (OP); Dimitrios Mexis; Bert Van Nuffelen (
> bert.van.nuffelen at tenforce.com); John Glover (john.glover at okfn.org); HOHN
> Norbert (OP); ZAJAC Agnieszka (OP); Project list for EC ODP CKAN project;
> jurgen vannerom; SABETE Vafa (OP)
> *Subject:* Re: ODP - Review of website by DGT - Modus operandi proposal***
> *
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> Hi Glen,****
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> 12:00 noon on Thursday will be fine. I'm sorry you're having to do so much
> cutting and pasting. If only the translators could be persuaded to use the
> tools which are designed to avoid such a painful process...****
>
> ****
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> Best,****
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> Darwin****
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> On 3 September 2013 16:37, CAMPBELL Glen (OP) <
> Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu> wrote:****
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> Hi Darwin,****
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> I must confess that I'm having enough problems filling up the master Excel
> sheet. It is really time consuming in fact. But for Transifex, I think what
> I'll do tomorrow is just go through the Word documents I'm getting back and
> look at the comments on the data tab. ****
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> ****
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> Could I still be given a time of day for Transifex? Would even Thursday
> noon be possible?****
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> Could I also be given a time of day for Friday for Drupal?****
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> (I must say that this dual system we have for Transifex/Drupal is a very
> time-consuming and complicated system when you multiply it by 24
> languages.). ****
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> Have a nice sunny evening, ****
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> Glen ****
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> *From:* Darwin Peltan [mailto:darwin.peltan at okfn.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 03, 2013 4:50 PM
> *To:* CAMPBELL Glen (OP)
> *Cc:* ISOARD Olivier (OP); Dimitrios Mexis; Bert Van Nuffelen (
> bert.van.nuffelen at tenforce.com); John Glover (john.glover at okfn.org); HOHN
> Norbert (OP); ZAJAC Agnieszka (OP); Project list for EC ODP CKAN project;
> jurgen vannerom; SABETE Vafa (OP)
> *Subject:* Re: ODP - Review of website by DGT - Modus operandi proposal***
> *
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> Hi Glen.****
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> Thanks for the update. Please let us know all the languages are available
> and we will import them into the site. Just to check timings - You're
> aiming to be finish this tomorrow so we can import on Thursday? ****
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> Thanks for all your work on this.****
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> Darwin****
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> On 3 September 2013 14:12, CAMPBELL Glen (OP) <
> Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu> wrote:****
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> Darwin, I am going to try my best to get as many of the translations in
> Transifex by 4 September, but I think for a couple of languages it might
> not be possible. Could we say 19:00 CET?****
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> *From:* Darwin Peltan [mailto:darwin.peltan at okfn.org]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 5:16 PM
> *To:* CAMPBELL Glen (OP)
> *Cc:* ISOARD Olivier (OP); Dimitrios Mexis; Bert Van Nuffelen (
> bert.van.nuffelen at tenforce.com); John Glover (john.glover at okfn.org); HOHN
> Norbert (OP); ZAJAC Agnieszka (OP); Project list for EC ODP CKAN project;
> jurgen vannerom; SABETE Vafa (OP)
> *Subject:* Re: ODP - Review of website by DGT - Modus operandi proposal***
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> Hi All,****
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> In principle the plan proposed by Olivier is fine with us. Some notes****
>
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> - I'm not sure why the translators will need to access the publishers area
> as we're not translating the publisher interface? (If this is needed 10F
> will need to create the logins as they manage the ODP.tenforce.com test
> site)****
>
> - We were not expecting any further translations for release 09.00 so some
> extra work will be needed for us to set up a project in Transifex for
> release 09.00 and re-export the translations if this is needed****
>
> - We are due to deliver the site for testing by the PO on 6th September -
> If we don't have the translations by 4th September at the latest this will
> delay this and this will then push back the other dates agreed ****
>
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> Best,****
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> Darwin****
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> On 23 August 2013 14:43, CAMPBELL Glen (OP) <
> Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu> wrote:****
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> Hi there,****
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> It's almost the weekend, albeit a rainier one than we might have liked.***
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> Do you agree to Olivier's proposal?****
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> I need to know what site our translation service needs to look at. It is
> already looking like they won't be able to do it for 30 August. Can we
> think about what later deadline is feasible for your work downstream?
> Naturally, this is more something for my other colleagues to decide. ****
>
> ****
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> I need to allow at least 5 working days for their work schedule (this
> doesn't mean it takes them 5 days of course to do; some languages will come
> in quicker than others). Then, depending upon the volume I need 1 or 2 days
> to compile the corrections in user-friendly format, as requested by
> Dimitrios. So already I'm seeing a date when I can deliver to you of around
> 4 September. ****
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> Thank you in advance,****
>
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> Glen****
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> *From:* ISOARD Olivier (OP)
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:10 PM
> *To:* 'Darwin Peltan'; Dimitrios Mexis; Bert Van Nuffelen (
> bert.van.nuffelen at tenforce.com)
> *Cc:* CAMPBELL Glen (OP); John Glover (john.glover at okfn.org); HOHN
> Norbert (OP); ZAJAC Agnieszka (OP); Project list for EC ODP CKAN project;
> jurgen vannerom; SABETE Vafa (OP)
> *Subject:* ODP - Review of website by DGT - Modus operandi proposal
> *Importance:* High****
>
> ****
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> Bert, Darwin, Dimitrios,****
>
> ****
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> After a tchat with Glen, the best approach taking into account the current
> roadmap for the new releases is the following:****
>
> ****
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> Ø Please keep http://odp.tenforce.com as it is for the moment (release
> 00.09.01/02)****
>
> ****
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> Ø We will ask immediately DGT translators to review this version by
> accessing directly your env (as our one is not yet released on prod – not
> visible from external DGs). DGT will provide us with their comments by the
> end of the month (ideally 30/08). ****
>
> ****
>
> Ø Depending on DGT's feedback on 00.09.01/02, we will consider if a new
> intermediate hotfix will be required for fixing translations before
> 01.00.00. If not, the comments will be communicated to you anyway for
> integration into 01.00.00. ****
>
> ****
>
> Ø Once this exercise (review of 00.09.xx on odp.tenforce) will be over,
> env http://odp.tenforce.com will be again available for deploying an
> early version of 01.00.00 as discussed today with Bert. This will be then
> the reference env for translators responsible for new screens linked to ODP
> 1.0.****
>
> ****
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> For DGT translators to access ODP data provider's corner, we need 6
> testing accounts on http://odp.tenforce.com. Would you please create them
> and provide us with credentials?****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks in advance to confirm you agreement on this proposal, also the info
> for the 6 data publisher accounts.****
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> Best regards,****
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> *From:* Darwin Peltan [mailto:darwin.peltan at okfn.org<darwin.peltan at okfn.org>]
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:15 PM
> *To:* Dimitrios Mexis
> *Cc:* CAMPBELL Glen (OP); Bert Van Nuffelen (
> bert.van.nuffelen at tenforce.com); John Glover (john.glover at okfn.org); HOHN
> Norbert (OP); ZAJAC Agnieszka (OP); Project list for EC ODP CKAN project;
> ISOARD Olivier (OP); jurgen vannerom
> *Subject:* Re: Review of website****
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> Hi Dimitrios and Jurgen,
>
> As I understand it from speaking to Glen, the translators need to review
> the content of release 09.02 in situ (both CKAN and Drupal sections).
>
> Will http://odp.tenforce.com continue to be available with release 09.02
> on it for the next couple of weeks or will you be starting to use it for
> testing release 01.00? If not is there another instance that the
> translators can use for reviewing the content?
>
> Best,
>
> Darwin****
>
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> On 22 August 2013 11:03, Dimitrios Mexis <dimitrios.mexis at tenforce.com>
> wrote:****
>
> Hello Glen,****
>
> what do you mean you want url(s) ? That is not clear to me. ****
>
> ****
>
> In principle, if you go to *http://odp.tenforce.com* you can navigate to "
> *Home/Applications/Linked Data/About" *tabs and check there all the
> relevant texts in the latest form.****
>
> *[ Application Data, please skip it due to styling reasons ]*****
>
> ****
>
> On the other hand if that is not what you seek for, can you give details
> what you want ?****
>
> ****
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> Regards****
>
> Dimitrios****
>
> ****
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> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:21 AM, CAMPBELL Glen (OP) <
> Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu> wrote:****
>
> Thanks very much Dimitrios.****
>
> ****
>
> Can I have the url(s) that I should give to our translation service for
> release 0.9?****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks in advance,****
>
> Glen****
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> ****
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> *From:* Dimitrios Mexis [mailto:dimitrios.mexis at tenforce.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:12 AM
> *To:* CAMPBELL Glen (OP)
> *Cc:* Darwin Peltan; Bert Van Nuffelen (bert.van.nuffelen at tenforce.com);
> John Glover (john.glover at okfn.org); HOHN Norbert (OP); ZAJAC Agnieszka
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> *Subject:* Re: Review of website****
>
> ****
>
> Glen Good morning,****
>
> ****
>
> The more detailed something the better for the outcome.****
>
> ****
>
> First I send you to have a view on the process of translation in a
> document attached to this mail. Just for an overview.****
>
> ****
>
> In the last time you send us the document Translations_to_send_10F.xls****
>
> For me it seemed good the way the information was presented. We could
> track down various elements. And off course if we have in general some
> conflict either from our side or yours, we can track down even more with a
> little mailing.****
>
> ****
>
> Anyway, based on this file, it was relatevely easy. ****
>
> One thing that was not easy with this file, is the fact that it does not
> keep the original order of Drupal as the translations are shown. But that
> is trivial in the end.****
>
> ****
>
> Regards****
>
> Dimitrios****
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM, CAMPBELL Glen (OP) <
> Glen.CAMPBELL at publications.europa.eu> wrote:****
>
> Thanks Darwin. I was frightened you might say that. I have a vague memory
> of Transifex terms in English, but the task will be harder to find things
> in the translated language (!) but I'll stay positive and hope there aren't
> many problems. I don’t think there should be. ****
>
> ****
>
> Dimitrios, Bert, can you say anything? Would you happy to receive the
> document I sent from DGT which gives the url and the items needing to be
> changed from X to Y?****
>
> ****
>
> Please let me know as I need to formulate my request to out translation
> service asap. ****
>
> ****
>
> By the way, are you still expecting feedback and new texts for 30 August
> or can that date be shifted back at all?****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks again****
>
> ****
>
> Glen****
>
> ****
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> *From:* Darwin Peltan [mailto:darwin.peltan at okfn.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:28 PM
> *To:* CAMPBELL Glen (OP)
> *Cc:* Dimitrios Mexis (dimitrios.mexis at tenforce.com); Bert Van Nuffelen (
> bert.van.nuffelen at tenforce.com); John Glover (john.glover at okfn.org); HOHN
> Norbert (OP); ZAJAC Agnieszka (OP); Project list for EC ODP CKAN project
> *Subject:* Re: Review of website****
>
> ****
>
> Hi Glen,****
>
> ****
>
> Thanks for your email. First of all it would be good to understand the
> purpose of this review - I presume this is a review of the content as it
> stands in release 09.00 so that these changes can be incorporated into
> release 01.00? ****
>
> ****
>
> I can only speak for what's needed for the CKAN sections of the site - For
> these we import the translations directly from Transifex into the site.
> Therefore we do need either you or the translators to make the edits into
> Transifex please. Transifex has a very capable search facility so it should
> be quite easy to find the term that needs to be edited. ****
>
> ****
>
> Assuming that you want these changes to go live with release 01.00 then
> the changes should be made within the new resource file that has been
> created for release 01.00 which is here****
>
> https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/ckan-eu-odp/resource/EUODP-1/****
>
> ****
>
> This file also includes the new terms for release 01.00 which the
> translators should also be working on now. ****
>
> ****
>
> I'm just heading into a meeting so will be unavailable until 14:00 BST but
> please just let me know if you have any questions or would like to discuss
> at all. ****
>
> ****
>
> Best,****
>
> ****
>
> Darwin****
>
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