[euopendata] eurostat hackday

Sun Jan 30 20:19:13 UTC 2011

Ton


if there was no public money involved, which as from the outside is
> how I read it a the moment, I would think you nor me as citizens are
> entitled to anything at all. maybe you could or should verify that
> first.
>
>
Absolutely.  To know if there was public money involved or not by having
some facts as to who attended each event, and if the corresponding expenses
for attending each event
were billed to some publicly funded project or not.


That's precisely why I ask , to verify the correctness of any underlying
assumption you or I may or may not make


PDM


> On Sunday, January 30, 2011, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ton
> > I am not sure what you read into the email, nor why, nor what your
> motivesto be dismissive of a legitimate inquiry
> > but just to clarify: the questions are
> >
> > - who attended each event - what the financial costs were- who paid for
> such costs- with what outcomes ( agreed that outcomes are not necessarily
> economically quantifiable, but we should be able to see what was done or
> discussed  or achieved etc? even if incomplete or partial?)
> >
> > Analysing the above information can help us  to organise more
> efficientlyfuture events so that more people can take part etc.
> > Here in Edinburgh the day was only advertised to the local community via
> the public OKFn mailing list two days before it took place, but surely it
> must have been planned if so many people flew in from abroad?
> >
> > I have not found any of this information on the page, but please do point
> meif I missed something
> > I hope you do not find that asking for data/information a citizen is
> entitled to ask is silly :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > PDM
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Ton Zijlstra <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 30, 2011, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Paola,
> >>
> >> this e-mail strikes me as just silly.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hay hay, name calling?  I think it is plain silly not to have facts at
> hand!
> >>
> >
> > i was referring to the content and apparent assumptions of your e-mail,
> not you
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I will agree with you wheter that is silly or not  when I see the
> information about the costs/benefits involved in this exercise
> >>
> >>
> >> The way I read the description of the eurostathackday it was just an
> >> all comers are welcome string of parallel local events. so no budget,
> >> and no air travel involved.
> >>
> >> Well, here in Edinburgh  people flying from different countries
> attended,and I am trying to find out  if that is the case for all the other
> parallel events
> >> what are the outcomes of the day, and the costs
> >> it is silly  not to ask these questions :-) although I accept if your
> interest/priorities are elsewhere, but please do not offend people with
>  common sense
> >>
> >>  Trolling is trying to cover up facts and hide essential data  on this
> list/elsewhere
> >> If you have any information to offer that answers the question, that is
> very welcome
> >>
> >>
> >> cheers
> >> PDM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> best,
> >>
> >> Ton
> >>
> >> On Sunday, January 30, 2011, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Greetings
> >>> I am putting together a summary of cost/benefits activities  for the
> EUROSTAT hackdayincluding the 'environmental cost' of flying people around
> >>> http://eurostat.okfn.org/
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to know
> >>> a) what have been the outcomes/benefitsb) how money did it cost EU
> taxpayers to fly around people to attend the respective sessions, in the
> >>> case these were not participating in their local hometown/regionc) a
> breakdown of which  EU projects covered for the travel costsd) some kind of
> carbon footprint for the day
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have this information on this list? If not, I ll ask the EU
> Commission for thebreakdown
> >>> cheers
> >>> PDM
> >>>
> >>
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> >> Ton Zijlstra
> >>
> >> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
> >> +31-6-34489360
> >>
> >> http://zylstra.org/blog
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> > Ton Zijlstra
> >
> > ton at tonzijlstra.eu
> > +31-6-34489360
> >
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> Ton Zijlstra
>
> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
> +31-6-34489360
>
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