[euopendata] [ddj] 5811 datasets in beta EU data portal

Jonathan Gray jonathan.gray at okfn.org
Fri Jan 11 13:12:28 UTC 2013 

I've written to the Open Definition Advisory Board, who agree with the
assessment of the Eurostat license - i.e. that it is indeed non-open [1].
I've also written to the EC who are looking into making a stronger
distinction between the relatively small number of Eurostat datasets to
which NC restrictions apply (i.e. those derived from trade data and some
non-EU countries) and the majority of datasets which can be reused
commercially without restriction. I'll let you know what the outcome of
this is.

I suggest we continue this discussion re: Eurostat licensing on the EU open
data list [2] (in cc) to save the inboxes of those on the
data-driven-journalism list - and loop in folks who are more directly
interested in public data licensing issues.

Perhaps the next person to reply could leave the data-driven-journalism
list out of their response and make sure the euopendata list is copied in?

All the best,

Jonathan

[1] http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/od-discuss/2013-January/000268.html
[2] http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/euopendata


On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Michael Bauer <michael.bauer at okfn.org>wrote:

> Benjamin,
>
> Great -then I'll stop the scraping. Does anyone care to write something
> about this? It seems notable that the vast majority of data released in the
> EU Open Data Portal is not "Open".
>
> Michael
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:34:31AM +0100, Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou wrote:
> > I did it, this is where the figures I'm providing come from : I
> > crawled the catalogue, since the CKAN API doesn't seen accessible to
> > do the appropriate query.
> > I have the exact results at home but they are approximately what I
> > gave yesterday : 100 CC-BY, 70 EU Legal notice, 5640 Eurostat
> >
> > Benjamin
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Michael Bauer <michael.bauer at okfn.org>
> wrote:
> > > Can we get the metadata out and do a statistic of this. This would mean
> > > that the majority of the data in the open data portal are not open (as
> in
> > > the opendefinition.org)
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 09:29:28PM +0100, Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou wrote:
> > >> Like on most data catalogs, each dataset is released under a specific
> licence.
> > >> In the EU Commission's case, there are three different ones used :
> > >> cc-by for about 100 datasets, a few dozens under Europa Legal Notice,
> > >> which seems complex but opendata-compatible, and the whole others,
> > >> meaning more than 95%, are released under the Eurostat
> > >> Copyright/Licence Policy
> > >> <
> http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/portal/page/portal/about_eurostat/policies/copyright_licence_policy
> >
> > >> This last one explicitly says that commercial reuse is possible except
> > >> in a broad variety of situations which the user obviously has to
> > >> identify for himself : this is the exact opposite of an opendata
> > >> licence that would get rid of any legal uncertainty that could put the
> > >> reuser at risk as defined in the opendefinition.
> > >>
> > >> Benjamin
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Ahmed ElAmin <elamin.ahmed at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> > I don't know if you are correct Benjamin. Where did you get the info
> > >> > that it is for non-commercial use? Even if it says that, media can
> > >> > analyse and publish the data (eg see UK gov transparency data
> > >> > publishing, which is what this exercise by the Commission is based
> > >> > on). Non-commercial use normally means companies cannot package and
> > >> > resell the data. That's my understanding. I can always contact the
> > >> > Commission to clarify if people are still unsure. Here is what the
> > >> > site says (though it is badly put):
> > >> >
> > >> > 'This portal is about transparency, open government and innovation.
> > >> > The European Commission Data Portal provides access to open public
> > >> > data from the European Commission. It also provides access to data
> of
> > >> > other Union institutions, bodies, offices and agencies at their
> > >> > request. The published data can be downloaded by everyone interested
> > >> > to facilitate reuse, linking and the creation of innovative
> services.
> > >> > Moreover, this Data Portal promotes and builds literacy around
> > >> > Europe’s data. The data publishers, application developers and the
> > >> > general public can also use new functionalities enabled by the
> > >> > semantic technologies.'
> > >> >
> > >> > On 10 January 2013 15:23, Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou <b.ooghe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> >> That is the issue... Does a media reusing data make a commercial
> > >> >> reuse? No one knows, and everyone is in a high legal incertainty
> > >> >> situation...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Benjamin
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Robin Linderborg
> > >> >> <robin.linderborg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> Just of curiosity, where does one draw the line with
> non-commercial data?
> > >> >>> Surely, it must be allowed to reference the results, although not
> in great
> > >> >>> detail.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> /Robin Linderborg
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> 2013/1/10 Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou <b.ooghe at gmail.com>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Warning : most of this data can not be used by medias as it is
> > >> >>>> released under a non-commercial licence, which is quite
> surprising
> > >> >>>> coming from the european commission repeating in loop the strong
> > >> >>>> interest of OpenData for economic purposes...
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Benjamin
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Ahmed ElAmin <
> elamin.ahmed at gmail.com>
> > >> >>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>> > Very interesting and sometimes bizzare kind of microdata begin
> put
> > >> >>>> > online as part of a Commission transparency exercise. Here is
> a sample
> > >> >>>> > of what can be found begging for infographic kind of treatment.
> > >> >>>> > http://open-data.europa.eu/open-data/data/
> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >>>> >     Psychiatric care beds in hospitals was updated on 09/01/13.
> > >> >>>> >     Total length of railway lines was updated on 09/01/13.
> > >> >>>> >     Public electronic procurement systems was updated on
> 09/01/13.
> > >> >>>> >     Enterprises using Internet for interaction with public
> authorities
> > >> >>>> > (NACE Rev. 1.1) was updated on 09/01/13.
> > >> >>>> >     Public services - Individuals was updated on 09/01/13.
> > >> >>>> >     Enterprises using the Internet for submitting a proposal
> in a
> > >> >>>> > public electronic tender system to public authorities was
> updated on
> > >> >>>> > 09/01/13.
> > >> >>>> >     Population connected to independent wastewater collecting
> systems:
> > >> >>>> > with treatment was updated on 09/01/13.
> > >> >>>> >     Gross value added - NACE Rev.1: L-P - current prices was
> updated
> > >> >>>> > on 09/01/13.
> > >> >>>> >     Water abstracted for public water supply was updated on
> 09/01/13.
> > >> >>>> >     Compensation of employees by NACE Rev.1 was updated on
> 09/01/13.
> > >> >>>> >
> > >> >>>> > Cheers
> > >> >>>> > Ahmed
> > >> >>>> >
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