[od-discuss] Open Government License - Surrey 2.0

[Mike Linksvayer]

That's a reasonable summary, with these caveats:
* I have reservations, not sure if anyone else does.
* My reservations would go away if license steward/only possible
licensor explained that they are not confused.
* The precedent I want us to set is of careful deliberation -- we should
never approve a license til it is time -- and to me the license
steward/only possible licensor being confused is a red flag that it is
not yet time. I may well be overreacting.

Mike

On 03/14/2015 03:37 PM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
> To summarise so far as I understand it
> 
> We've asked them for changes. They've made enough changes to be
> conformant, but we have reservations, not strictly because of the
> licence, but the licensor's process and understanding.
> 
> Is that correct?
> 
> The problem we face is that any decision we make is effectively our case
> law and binds us for the future to some extent. Logically it seems we
> should accept the licence, but we have reservations. If a less confused
> licensor created effectively the same licence we might feel it was
> satisfactory.  ???
> 
> P.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Mike Linksvayer <ml at gondwanaland.com
> <mailto:ml at gondwanaland.com>> wrote:
> 
>     -1
> 
>     Obviously per the text it is open. But I do not believe it is time[1] to
>     approve when the license steward and only possible licensor is
>     apparently confused about the license.
> 
>     I fully expect to be outvoted, and acknowledge that I should have
>     replied to previous thread pre-call.
> 
>     Mike
> 
>     [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSs6DcA6dFI
> 
> 
> 
>     On 03/14/2015 01:54 PM, Herb Lainchbury wrote:
>     > I believe we've discussed the OGL Surrey v2.0 sufficiently to assess
>     > conformance.
>     >
>     > In summary, we found the Open Government License - Surrey 1.0 to be
>     > non-conformant and sent a formal notice to the City of Surrey
>     making one
>     > specific recommendation and two suggestions.  Within a few days they
>     > released a new version of their license adopting our
>     recommendation and
>     > incorporating one of our two suggestions.  The suggestion that they
>     > didn't incorporate, which we said was not strictly required for
>     > conformance, is making their license re-usable by others.
>     >
>     > In our subsequent discussion there were comments about advice given
>     > concerning the license and whether or not that advice should be
>     > considered as part of the conformance process.  I believe we have
>     > settled on the idea that we have to assess the license based on
>     what is
>     > written in it.
>     >
>     >
>     > I now request that advisory council members indicate whether they
>     agree
>     > that the license conforms to section 2 of the open definition (v2.0)
>     > found here:
>     >
>     > http://opendefinition.org/od/
>     >
>     >
>     > Please use +1 for agree and -1 for disagree.
>     >
>     >
>     > You can find a discussion here:
>     > https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/od-discuss/2015-February/001278.html
>     >
>     > and here:
>     > https://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/od-discuss/2015-March/001293.html
>     >
>     >
>     > You can find the text for the license here:
>     >
>     > OGL Surrey v2.0
>     > http://data.surrey.ca/pages/open-government-licence-surrey
>     >
>     >
>     > We will continue counting votes for two weeks from now or until
>     > consensus is reached, which ever is first.
>     >
>     > Herb
>     >
>     >
>     >
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