[Offenerhaushalt-at] Improvement of offenerhaushalt.at

Fri Jun 21 15:15:45 UTC 2013

> Couldn't we seek forgiveness rather than permission? Plus in your
> earlier email you implied that this stuff would be made public over
> time so in worst case you could wait until you have this official
> permission ...

You (OKFN) could we (KDZ) can't. But there are discussions in Autria to release all this data, so maybe we don't have to wait long, anyway.

> Rather OpenSpending is the place this gets consolidated in a
> standardized fashion. So this setup you describe fits really well
> with how things can and should function :-)
> 
> 
> This has similarities with OpenStreetMap where a lot of data comes
> from Gov of companies but gets pull into OSM and consolidated
> (obviously data also gets generated directly for OSM too).
> 
> 
> 
> I think having an (automated) pipeline from the published data there
> into OpenSpending and then back out to e.g. OpenSpending.at or any
> other Austria site would be super useful.
> 
> 
> Would you be up for helping make that happen :-) ?

Sure, our role is to be domain experts for spending data in Austria, so we are looking forward to futher cooperation..

-Bernhard

> 
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> > 
> 
> 
> > Hi Bernhard,
> > 
> > 
> > Sounds good but I would continue to ask: is there no way to upload
> > the relevant datasets to the central repo at openspending.org *from
> > the start* and then build your site off that data (e.g. pulling
> > data
> > via the API)?
> > 
> > 
> > (I know this has been the discussion since the beginning but I
> > still
> > have not really understood why that is not possible - OK, so some
> > data needs to be private for a while but that's possible in
> > OpenSpending.org already ...).
> > 
> > 
> > Contributing the data into a central location while *presenting*
> > elsewhere is the most natural approach and fits well with what you
> > want to do.
> > 
> > 
> > Rufus
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 20 June 2013 16:14, Krabina Bernhard < krabina at kdz.or.at >
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Dear OpenSpending community,
> > 
> > I have both good and bad news for our Austrian implementation of an
> > OpenSpending portal:
> > 
> > Although some of you in the (dev)community for the OpenSpending
> > software have been supportive in terms of reacting on the mailing
> > lists and our idea of (partly) funding features that could be
> > interesting for the OpenSpending core in general, no one has raised
> > their hands and told us to be willing to implement on of the
> > features we mentioned up to now.
> > 
> > Additionally, we did not succeed in finding developers in Austria
> > who
> > were interested, besides a small startup in Vienna. They looked the
> > openspending software, but were reluctant to take over the tasks
> > because they had the feeling that the OpenSpending software is both
> > very big and not very well documented and that the effort to get to
> > know and productivley enhance it would be quite big. This is what
> > also collegues from OKFN Germany told us right from the beginning
> > (most of the German projects don't use the core software, just some
> > elements).
> > 
> > I don't want to start a discussion on wheter or not OpenSpending is
> > a
> > good or not so good piece of software or is well or not so well
> > documented. Fact is, that time is pressing (we want to release an
> > improved version of an openspending portal for Austria in early
> > October) so we needed to take some decicions.
> > 
> > So we decided that we will start from scratch based on a Drupal web
> > site, using some open JavaScript visualization toolkits and build
> > what we need around Drupal.
> > 
> > It is going to be an openspending portal with the focus on:
> > - spending data from ALL municipalities in Austria
> > - municipalities being in control whether or not to make their
> > data/visualisations open for everyone
> > - no automatic feature of users being able to upload data and make
> > their own visualsations (but we at KDZ are interested in other
> > public spending data than from municipalities, so come and talk to
> > us ;-)
> > 
> > We want to continue our efforts towards making as much public
> > spending data open and convincing as many municpalities (and other
> > authorities) to do so, but we needed our special approach.
> > 
> > As soon as we have our site up and running I will let you know and
> > will be happy to cooperate with you in future (e. g. lets talk
> > about
> > how to put the disclosed datasets from our platform into
> > openspending.org then...)
> > 
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Bernhard
> > 
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