[OKFN-CH] Swiss Transport Data: Next Steps / Opendata.ch Transport Working Group Kickoff

[Hannes Gassert]

Andrew,

Thanks for your message. The step that was taken is certainly one in the
right direction, it gives us something to work with beyond that hack that
is transport.opendata.ch.

The main concerns we are currently aware of are the following:

* Redistribution: SBB is forbidding to redistribute/sell the data as-is.
* Reuse: SBB is forbidding modifications of the data (fair enough, nobody
wants to see wrong train schedules out there).
* Absence of Technological Restriction: SBB is distributing the data in a
proprietary format (Hafas), and people are talking about IP/patents on the
format that would forbid the creation of tools to work with the data.

In practice, the fact that you need to register in order to download the
data will make it harder to create tools that update themselves with the
latest version of the schedule - but if there's a license agreement to
accept the registration makes some sense, of course.

We'll continue the dialog with the stakeholders involved, and we're
confident that Switzerland's new OGD strategy will help in providing
further guidelines to the transportation agencies as well.

Sending kind regards,
Hannes



On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Andrew Stott
<andrew.stott at dirdigeng.com>wrote:

> Hannes
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> Great news.
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> I have copied to the od-discuss list: can you tell us more about the hints
> of discrepancies with the Open Definition please?  It’s not unusual for a
> first release to be non-compliant, and we may be able to give constructive
> suggestions about how the terms and conditions could be adjusted to be
> compliant while still protecting any legitimate concerns of SBB (“There’s
> more than one way to do it” J ).
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> Regards
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> Andrew Stott
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> *From:* open-transport [mailto:open-transport-bounces at lists.okfn.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Hannes Gassert
> *Sent:* 25 April 2014 10:56
> *To:* okfn-ch at lists.okfn.org; Open Transport Data
> *Cc:* pgp at michael-kreil.de; open-transport
> *Subject:* [Open-transport] Swiss Transport Data: Next Steps /
> Opendata.ch Transport Working Group Kickoff
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> To whom it may concern
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> This week, the Swiss Federal Railways (SBB) released a large volume of
> schedule data at http://www.fahrplanfelder.ch/fahrplandaten. The feedback
> was mixed, from a happy "Yeah! Finally! Congratulations!" to lukewarm hints
> at discrepancies with opendefinition.org - but in any case this move
> creates new potentials, new questions, and a new need to coordinate. How
> could the community work together to create open tools to work with this
> data, to transform it into other formats, to make it used and useful? Who's
> in, with what goals?
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> Let's find out, and let's make a plan - so let's meet. If interested,
> please fill in https://doodle.com/9ikwneuq4b7v5is9 - most practical place
> is Zurich, but please let me know if you'd like to participate from abroad,
> as this probably will turn out to be an international Hafas challenge. The
> meeting will also serve as the kickoff of Opendata.ch's Transport Working
> Group, if so decided by the participants.
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> Sending kind regards,
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> Hannes Gassert
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> PS: http://opendata.ch/sports-hackdays
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> --
> Hannes Gassert  |  http://gassert.ch  |  +41 78 663 11 09
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