[okfn-discuss] Next steps on the Open Knowledge Tagline

Tue Jul 8 15:03:36 UTC 2014

Hi! No idea where you are in the process but I just stumbled across this
thread. Here is my take:

                Open Knowledge: Empower people to change the world

On 17 June 2014 19:46, Javier Creus <javicreus at ideasforchange.com> wrote:

> "Lets make Open change the world"
>
>
> 2014-06-17 19:38 GMT+02:00 heath rezabek <heath.rezabek at gmail.com>:
>
> Going from that idea of active voice, combined with
>> audience/setting-responsive focus word, (data, science, art, etc) the
>> variant occurred to me..:
>>
>> The Future of Science is Ours to Open.
>>
>> The Future of Culture is Ours to Open.
>>
>> The Future of Data is Ours to Open.
>>
>> etc.
>>
>>
>> - h
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If it had been flexible and all-encompassing initially, I might never
>>> have complained. But since we're discussing it, "see" is still too passive.
>>> It isn't "help" or "open" as a verb or any other call to action. "See" just
>>> says, "stand back and watch".
>>>
>>> But really, I would not have bothered making much of this if not for the
>>> strange narrowing of the "data" focus.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Aaron Wolf
>>> wolftune.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To add here I'd assumed that we'd leverage the opportunity to vary the
>>>> "see how" stuff e.g. you could vary it to:
>>>>
>>>> "see how open culture can change the world"
>>>> "see how open science can change the world"
>>>> "see how X can change the world"
>>>>
>>>> Let me re-iterate I'm not super-advocating this option but indicating
>>>> the potential and trying to avoid (too much) hangup on the "data" point :-)
>>>>
>>>> Generally great to see the rich conversation here and keep the points
>>>> coming!
>>>>
>>>> Rufus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 June 2014 16:51, Javier Creus <javicreus at ideasforchange.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am afraid as well that "data" is not everything worth to be open.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my opinion Tesla's movement to share its patents with anyone is
>>>>> part of the Open movement, even if it is not strictly data and if it
>>>>> doesn't fully embrace the open knowledge definition.  It's about "openess"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> javi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-06-17 15:48 GMT+02:00 Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be *this* bold (and it's totally honest!). I *love *the Public
>>>>>> Domain review! And with the new logo and tagline and all this discussion, I
>>>>>> *literally* forgot that the PDR was an OK project. I actually was
>>>>>> trying to remember if OK had anything to do with culture and art or if it
>>>>>> was a false impression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I could, I'd propose a plain old *veto* of the "See how data"
>>>>>> tagline. I'm honestly thinking like "holy moly, how could I forget the
>>>>>> PDR!" But the whole rebranding seems to have nothing to do with it and
>>>>>> seems to be a totally different organization…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you could read a lot of different emotion behind this text,
>>>>>> but I'm truly more surprised and baffled than anything else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Aaron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Aaron Wolf
>>>>>> wolftune.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Andrew Gray <
>>>>>> andrew at generalist.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 June 2014 17:31, Aaron Wolf <wolftune at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Thanks, Rufus. I agree. The concern was initially about potential
>>>>>>> shift in
>>>>>>> > focus and concern about inclusion of the community in the
>>>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > To be clear, I always thought it was great that lots of Open Data
>>>>>>> stuff was
>>>>>>> > happening, but I saw "Open Knowledge" as basically including "Free
>>>>>>> Culture",
>>>>>>> > and when I think of stuff cultural works like music and art, I see
>>>>>>> zero
>>>>>>> > place for that in "See how data can change the world". And I think
>>>>>>> that will
>>>>>>> > remain the case for everyone who ever sees that tagline. Nobody
>>>>>>> will ever
>>>>>>> > see that tagline and think OK has anything directly to do with
>>>>>>> free/open
>>>>>>> > art.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Piping up from the background... I felt somewhat uncomfortable about
>>>>>>> the "data can change the world" idea, and I think this is a key
>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>> It's certainly true to say "yes, of course, it encompasses cultural
>>>>>>> things as well, regardless of the tagline"... but that doesn't help
>>>>>>> someone who isn't familiar, doesn't already know that silent
>>>>>>> footnote,
>>>>>>> and may well be put off engaging by the emphasis on something that,
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> them, seems tangential.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To me, one of the best and most interesting things OKFN has done is
>>>>>>> the Public Domain Review - which is a thousand miles from data.
>>>>>>> Likewise, the whole OpenGLAM work has been very much content-oriented
>>>>>>> (though data work plays a part). Neither of these are what you'd
>>>>>>> expect from "see how data can change the world"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To go back to Rufus' comparisons, this is a bit like Greenpeace
>>>>>>> deciding its tagline should be "caring for the whales". I mean, yes,
>>>>>>> it's certainly correct, but it might also be a bit misleading ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Obligatory preference: "Open knowledge: open data, open minds",
>>>>>>> without repetition, is quite neat at bridging the full range)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> - Andrew Gray
>>>>>>>   andrew.gray at dunelm.org.uk
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> okfn-discuss mailing list
>>>>>>> okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss
>>>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> okfn-discuss mailing list
>>>>>> okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org
>>>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss
>>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> www.IdeasforChange.com
>>>>> www.NoSomosHormigas.org
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> okfn-discuss mailing list
>>>>> okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org
>>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss
>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> * Rufus Pollock Founder and President | skype: rufuspollock |
>>>> @rufuspollock <https://twitter.com/rufuspollock> Open Knowledge
>>>> <http://okfn.org/> - see how data can change the world **http://okfn.org/
>>>> <http://okfn.org/> | @okfn <http://twitter.com/OKFN> | Open Knowledge on
>>>> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/OKFNetwork> |  Blog
>>>> <http://blog.okfn.org/>*
>>>>
>>>> *Come to the Open Knowledge Festival <http://okfestival.org/> in Berlin
>>>> 15-17 July 2014!*
>>>>
>>>>  The Open Knowledge Foundation is a not-for-profit organisation.  It
>>>> is incorporated in England & Wales as a company limited by guarantee, with
>>>> company number 05133759.  VAT Registration № GB 984404989. Registered
>>>> office address: Open Knowledge Foundation, St John’s Innovation Centre,
>>>> Cowley Road, Cambridge, CB4 0WS, UK.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> okfn-discuss mailing list
>>>> okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org
>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss
>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> okfn-discuss mailing list
>>> okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org
>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss
>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Heath Rezabek  //  labs.vessel.cc
>> Icarus Interstellar  /  FarMaker Design Corps  //  icarusinterstellar.org
>> Open Knowledge Foundation  /  Texas Ambassador for the OKFn  //  okfn.org
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> okfn-discuss mailing list
>> okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org
>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss
>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> www.IdeasforChange.com
> www.NoSomosHormigas.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> okfn-discuss mailing list
> okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org
> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss
>
>

-- 

*Dr. Marcus M. Dapp  *|  skype: marcus.dapp  |  @digisus

Mitglied des Vorstands, OKF Deutschland e.V.
Berater Open {Data/Source/Content/Standards}
Dozent Digitale Nachhaltigkeit

okfn.org okfn.de <http://www.okfn.de/>  | @okfn <http://twitter.com/OKFN>
@okfde <http://www.twitter.com/okfde>  | Facebook
<https://www.facebook.com/OKFNetwork> |  Blog <http://blog.okfn.org/>org Blog
de <http://okfn.de/blog/>  |  Newsletter <http://okfn.org/about/newsletter>

*Knowledge is power. Open Knowledge is empowerment.*
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/okfn-discuss/attachments/20140708/d64a5956/attachment-0001.html>