[okfn-hu] Hungarian company register?

Thu Mar 31 10:29:54 UTC 2011

hi

i am glad to be here, respect to all on this list!

with several civil organizations (incl. k-monitor as mentioned above)
we are currently working on a project called hazaitop or k-wiw that
aims to collect and make visible the most important government related
public data to reveal both 1) big efforts with respectable investment
and 2) big investments with less efforts in the second case raising
the question of non-professionalism or even possibility of
corruption...

as soon as our founding is clarified we are going to parse the
government's public procurement information from pdf files and other
sources using content patterns until some standard format (
preferrably json ) will be available. we also plan to put basic
company register information of the monitored organizations. we will
collect these from one of the "redistributors" since that will result
in traffic (and so income) for them when we link their service for
more detailed company register info. however it would be nice to
access and link these data drectly if it will be accessible for free
in any other way.

regarding the actual question as far as I know the "second market
redistributor companies" protect themselfs both legaly and with a
captcha on the net, so you cannot fetch all the data and put it online
for free, as David mentioned before the current situation is already a
step forward even if it could be pushed further.

our site is in deep alpha right now with some press information and
base data from www.k-monitor.hu, so it may be slow and the current
data is from the last few months, so there is not too much hystorical
info in it, but it may worth a few clicks:

Hungarian ui:
http://hazaitop.addig.hu/

in progress English ui:
http://en.hazaitop.addig.hu/
( translating and localizing the project for other countries could be
also a way of extending this kind of approach )

all feedback is welcome!

Best Wishes
miklós

2011/3/31 Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>:
> Does that mean that the companies who have copies of this are
> redistributing the database without problems? Does this in turn mean
> that one could scrape the database and put online?
>
> All the best,
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:52 AM, David Kitzinger <kitzinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Ministry of Public Administration and Justice is responsible for the
>> Companies'  Registry. It was outsourced to Opten (www.cegtar.hu). They have
>> gained a monopoly for a supposedly reduced digitization fee. The previous
>> gov. ordered to open it up. So you can access basic services behind a
>> captcha wall. Those companies that had sufficient resources employed
>> administrators to retrieve the whole database. Now there is a competition on
>> this market and citizens can access basic information for free. However this
>> database offers only non-authorized information. This is a huge achievement
>> compared to the first 15 years of freedom in Hungary.
>> http://www.e-cegjegyzek.hu/index.html
>> No stakeholder is really interested in providing data for easy access or
>> statistical analysis.
>> best
>> David
>> On 2011.03.31., at 0:18, Jonathan Gray wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know anything about the status of the companies registry in
>> Hungary?
>>
>> http://blog.okfn.org/2011/03/30/bounties-for-scrapers-a-new-approach-to-opening-global-data/
>>
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