[okfn-hu] Planning for open data workshop in Budapest, 20th May

Mon May 2 23:55:53 UTC 2011

Thank you for your answer Jonathan!
I'll definitely be at the workshop, I think it actually sounds really good,
and of course I'll remain subscribed to the mailing list, I was just curious
about what was going on :)
Take care!

On 3 May 2011 01:48, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org> wrote:

> Sorry for the confusion, Dem! I think Peter joined the mailing list
> and had some questions about/issues with the workshop we're organising
> on 20th May [1]. Hopefully we can try to answer his questions and to
> resolve his issues. Are you planning to come to the workshop?
>
> I hope you remain subscribed to the list. It would be great to hear
> more about your interest in open data!
>
> All the best,
>
> Jonathan
>
> [1] http://ogd-budapest.eventbrite.com/
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 9:35 PM, dem <demy.mail at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello all!
> > I just subscribed to the list, because I am interested in open data and
> the
> > conference itself and I don't know too much about it. Gervai Péter, were
> you
> > asked to speak at the event and are you declining right now? Are you one
> of
> > the organizers? I am only asking these questions, because your rant about
> > the event seems very strange to me, but I guess it is only because I am a
> > new subscriber to the list, so I don't know what the context of the rant
> is,
> > could you maybe enlighten those of us on the list who feel the same way?
> > All the best,
> > --
> > dem
> >
> > On 2 May 2011 22:04, Peter Gervai <grinapo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 21:12, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The event was always intended to be a [...]
> >>
> >> I cannot really emphasize on the point that I haven't been had the
> >> faintest idea what this event _is_. I get invited to much more events
> >> than I have time to attend and I do not really like events where
> >> nothing happens apart from smart people telling other smart people
> >> what a wonderful world this could be if people were doing nice things
> >> instead of stupid things. Of course there is a place for political
> >> chitchat at a coffee but ... I would rather let others to do that. I
> >> often have to waste my time on people in key positions who act like
> >> they cared while they clearly don't, and trying to change the world
> >> while the world clearly resists. It makes pretty annoying to attend
> >> events where it isn't even planned to try to have any effect
> >> whatsoever.
> >>
> >> This "unconference" isn't described as such, at least it wasn't, and I
> >> still don't really get what it's about apart from telling each others
> >> what we already know. Look at the document you opened in etherpad,
> >> where I have appended just really a few thoughts on the topic, which
> >> could easily fill a 3 days "real" conference with people in the
> >> position who could do about it and won't.  I can tell you these, I can
> >> easily talk about it for hours, and it wouldn't change anything.
> >>
> >> So I hope you know what you're doing.
> >>
> >> > small informal 'unconference' or
> >> > 'Barcamp' for developers, NGOs, journalists and others interested in
> >> > open government data in Hungary. We are going to see who is there on
> >> > the day and what they are interested in doing and making.
> >>
> >> We had recently a mass protest on the streets every week about various
> >> things, sometimes even famous people out there. Nothing's changed, not
> >> even a bit. Nobody gave a poo up there. I guess I just got tired to
> >> see those who's interested and cannot do a thing about it.
> >>
> >> > several people have requested information about an agenda, I thought
> >> > we could do a bit of planning in advance so we can hit the ground
> >> > running! :-)
> >>
> >> Now imagine my little insignificant myself. Sometimes people ask me to
> >> meet them, to go to events they nurture or worry about, and I have my
> >> family, job and pretty time consuming hobbies. I usually try to go out
> >> as few as possible because most of these events do not give me
> >> anything valuable, while they definitely take away my precious time.
> >> So when someone doesn't even tell me what it's about and I don't know
> >> why should I go there... what's the point? Only those will attend who
> >> have plenty of time, or like to go out and meet people no matter
> >> whether it's about the right to have sex for sweetwater fish or the
> >> coal mining association's annual meeting. I try to pick events I do
> >> care about and try to pick those which offer expected results for my
> >> time spent.
> >>
> >> This unconference or whatever you call it is a big, ugly black hole. I
> >> may go because I wonder who's there or rather in the hope that
> >> regardless of the lack of information and visible purpose it may
> >> actually be something useful. Or I'll sigh and say to myself "oh well,
> >> another wasted day, again".
> >>
> >> > This is not to be confused with the event the day before (on the 19th)
> >> > with Hungarian civil servants, representatives from the European
> >> > Commission and EU member states - which is a more structured, formal
> >> > affair with presentations and talks.
> >>
> >> This event is a fscking SECRET. Don't tell me it's not to be confused
> >> with because I do not even know about it. It has been mentioned as
> >> some great thing beyond the blue event horizon. Something which
> >> actually aim at being having some purpose. And I heard it's AFTER
> >> 20th. And that maybe 20th could provide INPUT to this secret useful
> >> event. But now I see it's about to be a complete waste, since key
> >> people are already done, and civil puppets' talk isn't good for
> >> anything. We can happily tell each other how great we are, how stupid
> >> the government is, and that better luck next time, insert coin.
> >>
> >> *shrug*
> >>
> >> > All the best,
> >>
> >> Indeed. Somehow.
> >>
> >> Have a nice day,
> >> Peter
> >>
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