[Okfn-irl] Next Steps for OGP in Ireland?
Flora Fleischer
fleischer.flora at gmail.com
Fri Jan 24 12:40:17 UTC 2014
Hi everyone,
I think there is (or should be) an opportunity for civil society to input
to the OGP Action Plan that the government is going to release either with
or without us. This I think is the reason (there may be other reasons for
others) why a few people came together and worked out a suggested plan of
next steps. The initial idea is to make that co-creation of the OGP Action
Plan happen and get the process going because we've only got 3 month left.
The steps outlined in the e-mail to Evelyn, etc. contained a few options
(we included all ideas mentioned) for how to get our heads around the 62
action plan items (+ 7 submissions). I think we realise that different
action items will be important to different people and the best way forward
is something that is left to be decided through proper consultation &
co-creation. Hence starting off the process now.
Hopefully we'll be able to discuss all those concerns and ideas together
with citizens, civil society groups, the public service and Government
soon. I am trying to get a meeting (+online) where everyone can attend.
With that:
*****Important: Please Read and Take Action - Thank you!*****
Let's work on setting up the working group / steering group. You can
respond to this thread or directly enter suggested/interested participants
into this document.<https://okfirl.hackpad.com/1st-Irish-OGP-Action-Plan-Steering-Group-Members-CP0WWElSChh>
Who would like to or who do you think should attend from these 4 groups (or
do we need to add more categories?). People who want to attend should be
available for regular interaction both online & offline during the next 3-4
month.
List of representatives to attend series of meetings that will facilitate
civil society engagement during the process of developing Ireland's 1st OGP
Action Plan.
*Please add name, position / affiliation, phone number and email addresses*
*Public / Civil Society / Citizens*
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*Civil Society Organisations*
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*Public Service*
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*Government*
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Thank you very much in advance!
Flora
Best,
Flora Fleischer
Co-Founder, OKF Ireland
m: +353851587423 I @daydreamer2105 <https://twitter.com/Daydreamer2105> |
irl.okfn.org
Open data - the 21st century public library www.opendata.ie
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Cory-Ann Joseph <coryannj at gmail.com>wrote:
> +1 to Donal's and John's mails (is that technically a +2? I digress...)
>
> I've been holding this back but I have to say I've felt incredibly uneasy
> reading this thread. If the cost of OGP membership (and whatever other
> groups Howlin tacked onto that sham announcement right before he actively
> took steps to burn FOI to the ground) is us going meekly along for the sake
> of the non-FOI related items on the action plan - then I don't want it.
>
> I'm done with fake allies. Seriously even the thought of him eventually
> taking the credit for this and the photo with the handshaking makes me
> vomit in my mouth a little.
>
> Cory
>
> (FYI I absolutely get that mine is a very strong personal opinion - which
> is part of the joys of not having an organisational signature attached to
> my email)
>
>
> On 22 January 2014 21:09, Donal <donalobrol at clubi.ie> wrote:
>
>> *"Transparency is the best vaccine against corruption"*
>>
>>
>>
>> Agree entirely with these views.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please note that the Department of Public Enterprise and Reform is the
>> Department deliberately set about, in a completely underhand way,
>> increasing charges for FoI requests here in the Republic of Ireland.
>>
>>
>>
>> A prominent academic political scientist was not at all pleased, as is
>> clear from this comment
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://politicalreform.ie/2013/11/09/late-changes-to-the-freedom-of-information-bill-2013-a-cynical-move/
>>
>>
>>
>> *2. Dáil reform measures to date are a mere fig leaf*
>> * We need to know why Minister Howlin's civil servants decided at this
>> late stage to bring forward such dramatic and far-reaching amendments. Why
>> was this not set out in the draft legislation and signaled at Heads of Bill
>> stage to allow proper Dáil (and wider civil society) scrutiny at the
>> outset? Introducing these changes just before Committee stage makes it all
>> but impossible to roll them back, and any attempt to block it in the Dáil
>> can be easily dealt with by this government's beloved Guillotine.*
>>
>> *Making public the government's legislative intentions at Heads of Bill
>> stage has been lauded by this government as one of its important Dáil
>> reform measures. We're told that this ensures proper parliamentary and
>> public scrutiny of legislation at a sufficiently early stage. We're told
>> that this gives the Dáil a real say in influencing legislation.*
>>
>> *All fine and dandy - until a government department decides to sneak in
>> significant amendments later in the process as had happened here.*
>>
>> *Dáil reform my a**e!*
>>
>>
>> http://politicalreform.ie/2013/11/09/late-changes-to-the-freedom-of-information-bill-2013-a-cynical-move/
>>
>> It is now clear that the powers-that-be intend to roll back the 1997
>> FoInformation Act.
>>
>> As an example, the 2013 FoI Bill does not make it mandatory for each body
>> covered by the Freedom of Information Act to maintain and publish
>>
>> 1. A reference book
>>
>> 2. An index of precedents
>>
>> as did Sections 15 and 16 of the 1997 Act.
>>
>> *Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice,
>> nothing is*
>>
>> *safe that does not show it can bear discussion and publicity**. *Acton
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Donal Ó Brolcáin
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>> *From:* open-government-ireland at googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> open-government-ireland at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Handelaar
>> *Sent:* 22 January 2014 17:09
>> *To:* Flora Fleischer
>> *Cc:* open-data-ireland at googlegroups.com;
>> open-government-ireland at googlegroups.com; okfn-irl at lists.okfn.org; Denis
>> Parfenov
>> *Subject:* Re: [Okfn-irl] Next Steps for OGP in Ireland?
>>
>>
>>
>> It is *not* the job of the civil society participants to delete items
>> from the report generated through a public consultation.
>>
>>
>>
>> DPER asked for some priorities and the report *does* have prioritised
>> items, all of which fit its "SMART" request.
>>
>>
>>
>> Frankly any attempt by people who couldn't be bothered to show up before
>> now to undermine that consultation should be *fiercely* resisted.
>>
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>> On 22 January 2014 11:42, Flora Fleischer <fleischer.flora at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> last call to add comments about what you think should be done next with
>> regards to Ireland's 1st OGP Action Plan. Will be sent off at lunch time
>> today.
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>>
>>
>> Cheers to everyone who has contributed already!
>>
>> Flora
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Flora Fleischer
>>
>> Co-Founder, OKF Ireland
>>
>> m: +353851587423 I @daydreamer2105 <https://twitter.com/Daydreamer2105>
>> | irl.okfn.org
>>
>> *Open data - the 21st century public library **www.opendata.ie*<http://www.opendata.ie/>
>>
>>
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>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Flora Fleischer <
>> flora.fleischer at okfirl.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> in order to move forward with the next steps in relation to the first
>> Irish OGP Action Plan OKF Ireland are working on a response to DPER's email
>> to Nat O'Connor from Dec. 5th 2013. We are looking to finalize the response
>> by EOD Monday and are inviting you to co-create one response from civil
>> society.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can do so by adding your comments, thoughts, ideas to the attached
>> Google Doc indicating your name and/or affiliation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let me know if there are any questions.
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>>
>>
>>
>> * Irish OGP Action Plan
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1R8Jde-rtn1lZYvx_PJjoeEKP_yHrhKskuTf1DGQ1Rx4/edit?usp=drive_web>*
>>
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>> * Next Steps for OGP in Ireland 051213.pdf
>> <https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzOXYk-Wh9M2MmdydDRNNWdDWER0MGxXaTg3UzJtVERxTndN/edit?usp=drive_web>*
>>
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>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Flora Fleischer
>>
>> Co-Founder, OKF Ireland
>>
>> m: +353851587423 I @daydreamer2105 <https://twitter.com/Daydreamer2105>
>> | irl.okfn.org | @OKFirl <https://twitter.com/OKFirl>
>>
>> *Open data - the 21st century public library www.opendata.ie
>> <http://www.opendata.ie/>*
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Beausang, William <
>> William.Beausang at per.gov.ie> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Nat,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, we should certainly have made the point you mention below in our
>> reply to Denis; we had in fact expected that we would have been able to
>> make the announcement on the regional conference at an earlier stage and
>> certainly before the Christmas break.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hopefully any confusion caused by us not doing so has been cleared up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> William
>>
>>
>>
>> William Beausang
>>
>> Head of Government Reform Unit and Civil Service HR Policy Division
>>
>> Department of Public Expenditure and Reform
>>
>> 7/9 Merrion Row
>>
>> Dublin 2
>>
>> Ireland
>>
>> Tel. +353 1 6045433
>>
>> Mob. +353 86 1729303
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>>
>>
>> *From:* Nat O'Connor [mailto:noconnor at tasc.ie]
>> *Sent:* 08 January 2014 12:50
>> *To:* McCann, Conor; 'Denis Parfenov'
>>
>>
>> *Cc:* open-data-ireland at googlegroups.com;
>> open-government-ireland at googlegroups.com; okfn-irl at lists.okfn.org;
>> admin at ogpireland.ie; Martinez, Claire; 'Nat O'Connor'; Beausang,
>> William; O'Connor, Evelyn
>> *Subject:* RE: Next Steps for OGP in Ireland?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Denis and Conor,
>>
>>
>>
>> Just to add, I didn't circulate the initial reply to my letter at the
>> time, as the Department was waiting for the Minister's public announcement
>> of the Europe Regional Meeting and asked that the response not be
>> circulated until then.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would add to Denis's enthusiasm, as I think the Regional Meeting will
>> be a great showcase for OGP and will hopefully lead to increased public
>> enthusiasm and interest for open government.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Nat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* McCann, Conor [mailto:Conor.McCann at per.gov.ie<Conor.McCann at per.gov.ie>]
>>
>> *Sent:* 08 January 2014 09:58
>> *To:* Denis Parfenov
>> *Cc:* open-data-ireland at googlegroups.com;
>> open-government-ireland at googlegroups.com; <okfn-irl at lists.okfn.org>;
>> admin at ogpireland.ie; Martinez, Claire; Nat O'Connor; Beausang, William;
>> O'Connor, Evelyn
>> *Subject:* RE: Next Steps for OGP in Ireland?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Denis,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your email, and for bringing our attention to the
>> establishment of the OGP Ireland 'Crowdhall'. We will take note of any
>> recommendations that emerge from the group.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding Nat O'Connor's letter, please see the attached email, which
>> contains our response to Nat - issued on December 5.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Conor
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* denis.parfenov at gmail.com [mailto:denis.parfenov at gmail.com<denis.parfenov at gmail.com>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Denis Parfenov
>> *Sent:* 08 January 2014 08:48
>> *To:* McCann, Conor
>> *Cc:* open-data-ireland at googlegroups.com;
>> open-government-ireland at googlegroups.com; <okfn-irl at lists.okfn.org>;
>> admin at ogpireland.ie; Martinez, Claire; Nat O'Connor; Beausang, William
>> *Subject:* Re: Next Steps for OGP in Ireland?
>>
>>
>>
>> **Apologies for any cross-posting**
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Conor,
>>
>>
>>
>> Once again, thank you for sharing news regarding the plans to hold the OGP
>> Europe Regional Meeting<http://per.gov.ie/2014/01/06/ireland-to-host-open-government-partnership-ogp-europe-regional-meeting-in-2014/>in Dublin in May 2013. I believe we have a fantastic opportunity to
>> increase awareness about OGP and opportunities for Open Data in Ireland.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to draw your attention to an absence of response on Nat
>> O'Connor's letter<https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/open-government-ireland/x3rsP2DwWq0>dated 22nd November 2013, where an ad-hoc group of civil society members
>> outlined a suggested way forward in terms of the collaboration between
>> government and civil society on the development of the first Irish National
>> Action plan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, I would like to bring to your attention that at the meeting between
>> DPER and representatives of civil society on June 26th<https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/open-government-ireland/3XxjHe22aJo>we discussed the importance of public deliberation online. Subsequently, we
>> looked at suitability of four platforms<https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/open-government-ireland/3XxjHe22aJo>suggested by the OGP and Global Integrity and established that
>> http://crowdhall.com/ is the most adequate for us. As a result we have
>> set up an instance of 'Crowdhall' specifically for the Irish OGP
>> consultation process: http://crowdhall.com/h/52
>>
>>
>>
>> This platform can be useful for the public online deliberation of the
>> 62+10 <http://per.gov.ie/open-government-partnership-ogp/> suggestions
>> generated during the initial consultation process that took place between
>> July and September 2013. Crowdhall allows for the generation of a unique
>> URL for each one of the action plan items. This can facilitate a public
>> deliberation on each commitment online and an ability for civil society to
>> rate and rank commitments.
>> For example, Fingal County Council: Submission to Open Government
>> Partnership Ireland Consultation: https://crowdhall.com/h/52/p/402 (tweet:
>> https://twitter.com/opengovIRL/status/420663295754792960)
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this is helpful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>> Denis Parfenov
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Denis Parfenov // OKF Ambassador for Ireland // m: +353863850044 // @
>> prfnv <https://twitter.com/prfnv> // http://okfirl.org/
>>
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>> http://okfn.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 November 2013 15:19, Nat O'Connor <natoconnor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Nat O'Connor* <noconnor at tascnet.ie>
>> Date: Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:09 PM
>> Subject: Next Steps for OGP in Ireland?
>> To: "Beausang, William(William.Beausang at per.gov.ie)" <
>> William.Beausang at per.gov.ie>
>> Cc: admin at ogpireland.ie, communications at ogpireland.ie,
>> okfn-irl at lists.okfn.org, open-data-ireland at googlegroups.com,
>> open-government-ireland at googlegroups.com, "evelyn.o'connor at per.gov.ie" <
>> evelyn.o'connor at per.gov.ie>, "Martinez, Claire" <
>> Claire.Martinez at per.gov.ie>, "McCann, Conor" <Conor.McCann at per.gov.ie>
>>
>> *William Beausang*
>>
>> *Head of Government Reform Unit and Civil Service HR Policy Division *
>>
>> *Department of Public Expenditure and Reform*
>>
>>
>>
>> *CC various mailing lists *
>>
>> *BCC (private) 43 individual email addresses of interested people*
>>
>> *Apologies for any cross-posting*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear William,
>>
>>
>>
>> Further to the meeting between members of civil society and your team
>> (October 25th), where
>>
>> it was suggested that we propose a process to inform your unit's
>> submission to a Government meeting before late November. I'm conscious that
>> time is pressing on this.
>>
>>
>>
>> At our discussion at the October meeting, I recall that a potential
>> impasse was identified. Civil society has put forward 71 recommended
>> actions; however the Government has yet to put forward their own list of
>> proposed actions, derived from the Programme for Government and from civil
>> service suggestions from the relevant Departments. We risk getting bogged
>> down if either side wants to stick to their preferred list and go through
>> each item one after the other in exhaustive detail.
>>
>>
>>
>> You noted that the national OGP Action Plans are meant to be short
>> documents and you suggested that we begin the Irish Action Plan with a
>> higher level narrative text, informed by both lists of proposed actions.
>> Out of this higher level text, we would then derive a set of SMART actions
>> for the first plan. These would differ in detail from some of the proposals
>> from either side, but they would hopefully address a large number of them
>> and provide a basis for substantive progress on some of the OGP goals. (I
>> would add, this should not close down further discussion on any proposals
>> from civil society).
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on this, the following is a suggestion from me. I benefited from
>> feedback by email from the various colleagues but any remaining
>> errors/omissions are my own:
>>
>>
>>
>> *Proposed Process for Civil Society and Government Joint Working on
>> Ireland's OGP Plan*
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. We want a process that leads to a jointly-drafted Action Plan
>> between civil society and Government;
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. A steering group drawn from civil society needs to be
>> established to provide continuity of contact between wider civil society
>> and the Government. We need a small number of volunteers to commit to
>> attending a regular number of meetings between now and April 2014, to
>> engage with the Government on jointly-drafting the first Irish Action Plan;
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. The Government needs to commit to a series of meetings between
>> now and April 2014 to work jointly on the first Irish OGP Action Plan;
>>
>>
>>
>> 4. All formal records of the process (e.g. Agendas, Minutes)
>> should be posted online in a timely fashion after each meeting, so that
>> wider civil society and the general public can access them and monitor the
>> process;
>>
>>
>>
>> 5. Members of civil society have been consulted by Transparency
>> International Ireland, leading to a report containing 62 recommended
>> actions (some of which are multiple actions). Another 9 additional actions
>> were submitted in parallel to this process, leading to a total of 71 civil
>> society proposed actions (some of which have multiple aspects to them);
>>
>>
>>
>> 6. The Government is to produce a list of its own proposed actions
>> for inclusion in the OGP Action Plan;
>>
>>
>>
>> 7. The first meeting of the Joint Government-Civil Society OGP
>> Steering Group (hereafter Steering Group) should agree headers for high
>> level narrative text within the first Action Plan - drawing on experience
>> from other countries' plans;
>>
>>
>>
>> 8. These headers should be elaborated with text that accurately
>> reflects the diverse ideas and the overall direction of travel indicated in
>> the TI report of the civil society consultations. It should equally
>> represent the Programme for Government/civil service proposals;
>>
>>
>>
>> 9. Based on the high level text, subsequent meetings of the
>> Steering Group should agree SMART actions to be included in the first
>> Action Plan;
>>
>>
>>
>> 10. A draft Action Plan should then be published with sufficient time
>> for wider civil society and the general public to make comments and
>> suggestions;
>>
>>
>>
>> 11. The joint Steering Group than should meet to agree the final plan
>> text for submission to the OGP Summit in April.
>>
>>
>>
>> 12. Periodic meetings of the joint Steering Group should continue to
>> monitor progress on the plan, and prepare for its renewal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Come April 2014, no one is likely to be perfectly happy with the
>> resultant Action Plan, however I would hope that it would lead to the best
>> possible compromise and provide a solid basis to see some new open
>> government actions implemented that go beyond what was anticipated in the
>> Programme for Government.
>>
>>
>>
>> Likewise, I would hope that the process would provide a basis for working
>> together and with Government on open government that would be sustainable
>> throughout the lifetime of the plan.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is already work ongoing to form a series of thematic working groups
>> (following similar topics to the ones being formed at international level
>> in OGP) and other existing groups (e.g. Aarhus Roadshow) could be seen as
>> relevant stakeholders equivalent to working groups too, so that everyone
>> interested in a given topic has an opportunity to voice their suggestions
>> and concerns between meetings of the Steering Group. Facilitating this and
>> attending relevant working groups would be an additional commitment
>> required of anyone volunteering to join the Steering Group.
>>
>>
>>
>> As you know, two significant things have occurred subsequently to our
>> October meeting. Firstly, some civil society people attended the two-day
>> global Open Government Partnership summit in London (31st Oct/1st Nov),
>> which was preceded for those who could attend by civil society meetings and
>> open data meetings earlier in the week. Secondly, there has been a major
>> public dispute about FOI fees and a real risk that the amended FOI Act will
>> increase the barriers to FOI usage through higher costs associated with
>> non-personal FOI requests, which runs counter to the goals of the OGP.
>>
>>
>>
>> The summit provided lots of useful information and examples of how OGP is
>> working in other countries; the pitfalls as well as the success stories. It
>> was good to see your colleagues Evelyn O'Connor and Claire Martinez there.
>> I heard Minister Howlin speak supportively about OGP at the European Caucus
>> and when addressing the panel on whistleblower protection. There seems to
>> be a vibrant international movement for OGP - but one limited by resources
>> and still in its fragile early stages.
>>
>>
>>
>> In relation to the dispute about FOI up-front fees, I would be remiss if
>> I didn't say that many activists are angry and feel a lack of trust, which
>> extends in some cases to the wider OGP process. I personally believe that
>> up-front FOI fees are a barrier to democratic participation and should be
>> abolished.
>>
>>
>>
>> But OGP is about more than FOI, and it is important that Ireland puts in
>> place a robust process for civil society engagement with Government about
>> our first OGP Action Plan, and its implementation and annual renewal. This
>> process should be solid enough to permit us to have a serious debate with
>> Government about the merits and demerits of FOI fees, without allowing this
>> issue to block further progress on the other 70 proposed actions from the
>> OGP consultancy process.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this proposal is of use in moving things forward. I would welcome
>> your comments on it and I look forward to hearing from you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Nat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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