[OKFN-NL] Community hangout for Weds 26 june, re taxation and company registers etc

Wed Jun 26 14:31:13 UTC 2013

Hi Karen,

The community hangout has been pushed to Wednesday next week: July 3 at
19:00 CET

We'll make sure to discuss the tax issue then. It will be announced today,
with a sign up form, at openspending.org/blog

Best,
Anders

On 26 June 2013 10:22, <k.brzezinska at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Where to find the community hangout?
>
> And what time it is scheduled for? I'd like to listen in and see what I
> can learn this time.
>
> Cheers, Karen
>
> On Fri, June 21, 2013 00:05, Anders Pedersen wrote:
> > Thanks for sharing these points,
> >
> > In related news, the deal on tax havens, phantom firms and beneficial
> ownership from the G8 summit seems to be at a step in the direction of
> more
> > transparency:
> > http://www.one.org/us/2013/06/18/a-g8-transparency-revolution-yeah-some/
> >
> > For a more detailed review of the G8 deal see this great cheat
> > sheet<
> https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/document/d/17DE0VBIKHqvpbNdiA7s0hcMAurBEmMjV-nxmHB75e4c/edit
> >
> also
> > from Alan Hudson, ONE on among other things taxation and extractive
> industries.
> >
> > Finally, in on company taxation I also want to point you to the
> journalist guide on tax
> > avoidance<
> http://openspending.org/resources/journo/resources/tax-avoidance-evasion.html
> >
> on
> > OpenSpending.
> >
> > With this discussion in mind I would suggest that we spend some time at
> the
> > *Community Hangout next week on Wednesday 26 June* to follow up on
> taxation
> > and company registers.
> >
> > Would anyone find this interesting and possibly lead such a discussion
> at the Community Hangout?
> >
> > Best,
> > Anders
> >
> >
> > On 20 June 2013 15:52, Chris Taggart <countculture at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Not sure how many missing. The main problem is keeping it up to date,
> which is tricky, even with crowdsourcing. However, yes, we could do
> this to
> >> make a point ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20 June 2013 19:08, Sam Smith <s at msmith.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> how many are missing?
> >>>
> >>> that sounds like an application of crowdsourcing by one of hte
> anti-tax-avoidance groups with a large mailing list
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sam
> >>>
> >>> On 20 Jun 2013, at 18:16, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Some further info from Chris...
> >>> >
> >>> > On 20 June 2013 17:14, Chris Taggart
> >>> <chris.taggart at opencorporates.com
> >>> >wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> The biggest issue with the Netherlands (and this might be something
> >>> the
> >>> >> Dutch press want to pick up on) is the closed nature of the Dutch
> >>> Chamber
> >>> >> of Commerce. Not only do they score badly on the Open Company Data
> >>> Index<http://registries.opencorporates.com/jurisdiction/nl>,
> >>> >> they also block the IP address of anyone who tries to scrape the
> >>> data,
> >>> >> including, I believe possibly OpenKVK, from whom we get the data.
> >>> This
> >>> is
> >>> >> clearly the opposite of being open, and tends to incline one that
> >>> they
> >>> >> would rather the information wasn't reused, as it would lend support
> >>> to
> >>> >> stories such as this.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> We do have the vast majority of NL companies (though some we have
> relatively little data on). Increasingly we are mapping other data
> >>> to
> >>> it,
> >>> >> and so are closing in on the situation.
> >>> >> Chris
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -------------------------------------------------------
> >>> >> OpenCorporates :: The Open Database of the Corporate World
> >>> >> http://opencorporates.com
> >>> >> Blog: http://blog.opencorporates.com
> >>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/OpenCorporates
> >>> >>
> >>> >> OpenCorporates is published by Chrinon Ltd, a company dedicated to
> improving and publishing public data under an open licence that
> >>> allows
> >>> and
> >>> >> encourages reuse, including commercially. Registered in England,
> >>> number
> >>> >> 07444723.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 20 June 2013 14:13, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Chris: could you shed any light on this?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On 20 June 2013 14:58, Anders Pedersen <anders.pedersen at okfn.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> Thanks Jonathan,
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> From the article:
> >>> >>>> "12,000 multinational holding companies, of which 75% are based
> at trust offices"
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> It would be interesting to map the density of the trust offices
> >>> across
> >>> >>>> the country. As we can pull Dutch company data including addresses
> >>> from
> >>> >>>> Opencorporates and as the Dutch postal codes are very small
> >>> entities, it
> >>> >>>> should be possible to map this.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> When it comes to access to corporate financial data in NL, things
> >>> are,
> >>> >>>> as far as I know, much more complicated. Opencorporates is
> pulling information from the Securities and Exchange Commission,
> SEC (US)
> >>> and this
> >>> >>>> could possibly be one of the best sources of Dutch corporate
> >>> financial
> >>> >>>> information at the moment.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Anders
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On 20 June 2013 07:46, Jonathan Gray <jonathan.gray at okfn.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>> Apparently "€278bn flow through shell companies based in the
> Netherlands every year". [1]
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Wonder if this is something that any OpenSpending folks in NL
> >>> have
> >>> >>>>> looked into?
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> All the best,
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Jonathan
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> [1]
> >>> >>>>>
> >>>
> http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2013/06/the_netherlands_is_not_a_tax_h.php
> >>> >>>>>
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