[okfn-za] Stress testing the system

Thu Aug 22 22:50:55 UTC 2013

Adi,

There shouldn't be a problem asking for the whole budget. The media
regularly demands the full budget. The full budget will be far more useful
for a wider set of ppl than a slither.

The trick will be formatting the request to be clear about the level of
granular detail we want.

Cheers,
Justin

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On 23 August 2013 00:31, Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za> wrote:

> > Adi, do you want me to assign a research intern in the AENS newsroom to
> help
> > submit & chase up these PAIA requests?
>
> Please.
>
> I must say though that I am really enjoying the process of requesting
> data for the sake of finding out whether it is available and how
> difficult I have to fight to get it. I think the data will be useful
> if it is made available but even being told that I cannot have it is
> still an interesting response.
>
> I'm struggling with phrasing my request for the municipal budget.
> Rather than requesting the entire budget in fine detail, I would like
> to focus on a specific area which might be easier to obtain - any
> suggestions for formulating the request?
> Adi
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Justin
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> > On 17 August 2013 16:16, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is a fantastic list Justin! One thing I'd love to do is to
> intersect
> >> it with this list of "key" datasets here:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aon3JiuouxLUdEVHQ0c4RGlRWm9Gak54NGV0UlpfOGc#gid=3
> >>
> >> Which was compiled in order to power the open data city survey:
> >>
> >> http://census.okfn.org/city/
> >>
> >> Rufus
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17 August 2013 12:12, Justin Arenstein <justinarenstein at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Adi,
> >>>
> >>> Hi. I think the top 20 kinds of municipal data that would be
> immediately
> >>> useful for civic apps and ordinary citizens interested in realtime
> democracy
> >>> would include:
> >>>
> >>> 1.) CSV versions of the itemised municipal budget, with as much
> granular
> >>> detail as possible
> >>> 2.) Machine readable versions of all reports, proposals, transcripts,
> >>> documents, and other records from council sittings (including sub-coms)
> >>> 3.) Realtime access to unfiltered video / audio feeds of all council
> >>> sessions / sittings and other events
> >>> 4.) CSV / machine readable versions of all tenders advertised,
> >>> adjudicated, and issued with as much granular detail as possible (+
> >>> retrospective)
> >>> 5.) CSV / machine readable versions of municipal cadastral data, with
> >>> shape / boundary data
> >>> 6.) CSV / machine readable versions of contact directories for
> management
> >>> level council staff & the geo-areas / competencies they manage
> >>> 7.) CSV / machine readable versions of all municipal legal notices,
> >>> including EIAs / land change use notices, licensing, etc
> >>> 8.) CSV / machine readable versions of all municipal infrastructure /
> >>> capex development plans, with geo-data & other appropriate meta data
> >>> 9.) CSV / machine readable versions of all municipal services,
> including
> >>> health, housing, sanitation, education, etc
> >>> 10.) CSV / machine readable versions of the property roll (including
> all
> >>> council owned property)
> >>> 11.) CSV / machine readable versions of all health inspection citations
> >>> and other records
> >>> 12.) CSV / machine readable versions of all traffic / municipal police
> >>> citations or other incident / activity logs
> >>> 13.) CSV / machine readable versions of all (granular) crime data
> >>> available to council, including from SAPS & pvt security companies
> >>> 14.) CSV / machine readable versions of all datafeeds from CCTV and
> other
> >>> environmental sensors (air, water, sound, atmospheric, etc)
> >>> 15.) Machine readable versions of contact directories (phone / email /
> >>> social media) for all elected councillors + all management echelon
> staff
> >>> 16.) Machine readable versions of all declarations of interest / gifts
> /
> >>> association of all elected councillors + all management echelon staff
> >>> 17.) Machine readable versions of all diaries / travel schedules /
> >>> meeting registers of all elected councillors + all management echelon
> staff
> >>> 18.) Machine readable versions of the CVs / resumes of all elected
> >>> councillors + all management echelon staff
> >>> 19.) Machine readable versions of the CVs / resumes of all consultants,
> >>> advisors, etc, working with council
> >>> 20.) Machine readable versions of the records of disciplinary action /
> >>> blacklisting of staff, contractors, suppliers, consultants
> >>>
> >>> This is a kinda broad trawl, probably skewed by my previous job as an
> >>> investigative journo, but I think the resulting data would allow
> people to
> >>> do everything from compare schools / clinics / neighbourhoods, to
> checking
> >>> health safety at restaurants, etc, to monitoring development &
> services,
> >>> participating in licensing / land use changes, and helping to keep
> >>> government honest & focused on residents' real needs.
> >>>
> >>> I've probably overlooked some important or contextual stuff, so would
> be
> >>> interested to hear whether anyone else has other stuff to add.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Justin
> >>>
> >>> Justin Arenstein
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 13 August 2013 23:06, Adi Eyal <adi at burgercom.co.za> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Robert
> >>>>
> >>>> Have you had a look on the StatsSA website for machine readable data?
> >>>> It's somewhat hidden and their interface is not fantastic, but have a
> >>>> look for SuperWeb. You can slice and dice data as you like and then
> >>>> download it in csv.
> >>>>
> >>>> Adi
> >>>>
> >>>> On 13 August 2013 13:22, Robert Elliott <robert at graphflow.com> wrote:
> >>>> > Hi Adi,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > It would be great to get the province's 2011 census data... in a
> >>>> > usable
> >>>> > format, so not PDF.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I think that data formatting may be a topic worth focussing in on,
> >>>> > because
> >>>> > it isn't open if it is unusable.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Cheers,
> >>>> > Rob
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Greg Kempe <gregkempe at gmail.com>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Adi,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> That's great news, do you have any further details on it, who's
> >>>> >> putting it
> >>>> >> together, how far along it is etc?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I would like to get access to the property valuations roll for the
> >>>> >> City.
> >>>> >> It's ostensibly available online (in bits and pieces) as well as in
> >>>> >> the
> >>>> >> paper archives, so it's already public data, but not readily
> >>>> >> accessible in
> >>>> >> bulk.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Greg
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 13 August 2013 at 9:50:09 AM, Adi Eyal (adi at burgercom.co.za)
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Hi All
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The Western Cape Government as well as the City of Cape Town are
> >>>> >> currently working on an open data policy. Yay!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> We've decide that rather than writing the (possibly out of touch
> with
> >>>> >> reality) policy, we will first start to stress the system but
> seeing
> >>>> >> where the flaws are. Then the policy will be written in an
> iterative
> >>>> >> fashion in order to focus on the most important areas.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I'm playing Mr Mission Impossible but trying to get data from both
> >>>> >> institutions and writing up the case studies in order to poke holes
> >>>> >> in
> >>>> >> their existing policies and capacity to respond to requests.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I'm soliciting suggestions from you for what data you would like to
> >>>> >> get from the City/Province if you could. I have some ideas but it
> >>>> >> would be great to get the community behind it.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Thanks
> >>>> >> Adi
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> --
> >>>> >> Adi Eyal
> >>>> >> Data Specialist
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> >>
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> Adi Eyal
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