[Open-access] How to cite the Panton Principles?

Jenny Molloy jcmcoppice12 at gmail.com
Tue Feb 21 18:41:00 UTC 2012


I agree that more information is helpful, the whole point of the example
citation was to contain the information necessary to change to any other
citation style, I wasn't aware that full names were the standard in
humanities. In this case, the full names do appear on the same page it
would just take a little more effort on the part of the person writing the
citation but we may as well save them a couple of minutes.

While the Panton Principles could be adopted by other scholarship, the
intention was to create guidelines for scientists for the reasons Peter
mentioned. Subsequent efforts based on the Principles (the FAQ section of
the website, Panton Discussions, Panton Papers) have followed this trend so
it would be difficult to change the wording to incorporate humanities, it
is now historical. Adoption and modification is encouraged though and a 1:1
transfer with some rewording could be possible. The document is STM-centric
by design (that was the target community) but as you say the values are
much broader.

Jenny

On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Laura Newman <laura.newman at okfn.org> wrote:

> I have updated with first names in full. I am happy to follow the
> consensus, but I take Klaus' point that it is relatively easy to remove
> info to conform to science standards, whereas adding information that isn't
> given is much harder.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Klaus Graf <klausgraf at googlemail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Let me be absolutely clear:
>>>
>>> (i) The Panton principles have exactly the same value for scholarship
>>> which isn't Science = STM.
>>>
>>
>> I admit that I am an STM-centric thinker. I try to avoid it but often
>> fail.
>>
>> However, rightly or wrongly, the PP are now a historical document. We
>> deliberately limited ourselves to science because:
>> * there was a pressing problem. (There still is but the problem is better
>> defined now)
>> * factual data are critical to many sciences. That's not to say that
>> other disciplines don't also have facts but the sciences tend to have
>> larger amounts
>> * we were able to make a useful distinction between text, data and
>> metadata. Later Adrian Pohl reused the PP to develop the Principles for
>> Open Bibliography. In that we had to work harder to define what the "data"
>> were
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (ii) Citations guidelines valid only for Science are not acceptable.
>>>
>>> There are enough disciplines with full first name standard. You cannot
>>> identfiy something with personal IDs like PND etc. with first name
>>> initals. I think it is bibliographically - open bibliography! -
>>> important enough to know WHO wrote an article. "Pollock R" is saying
>>> absolutely nothing - one has to do additional research to find out who
>>> is R[ ] Pollock.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sympathetic to this. An electronic article has a fairly definitive
>> canonicalisation (though not defined) and is intended to be locatable. It
>> is possible to reconstruct most (but not all) authors. But the PP do not
>> have a definitive location and are also LIBRE so they can be copied.
>>
>>>
>>> (iii) As is there is anglo-centric thinking that only contributions in
>>> the English language have ontological value there is also STM-centric
>>> thinking.
>>>
>>>
>> If you think there are disciplines beyond STM to which the principles
>> could apply and be operated then it sounds an excellent idea. But you will
>> probably have to work hard to define what is data and what is open.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Peter Murray-Rust
>> Reader in Molecular Informatics
>> Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
>> University of Cambridge
>> CB2 1EW, UK
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