[Open-access] Elsevier 'sponsored article'

Fri Mar 2 09:33:33 UTC 2012

On 2 March 2012 09:19, cameronneylon.net <cn at cameronneylon.net> wrote:
> There's nothing new here unfortunately. Standard practice.

There's nothing *surprising* here.  But for many people (including me)
the actual information is new: I certainly couldn't find anything like
this on Elsevier's site.  Which is why I think it's important to
publish it elsewhere (in this case on SV-POW!).

> Note that they don't actually answer either of the two direct questions. To which the answers are no and no.

Well, they do.  Roberts is instructed to sign the usual copyright
transfer form, so evidently Elsevier keep copyright; and "freely
available to all on Science Direct only" answers the question about
"is the file allowed to be hosted anywhere else".

> They do a different deal with the Wellcome who require more freedom to re-use but they don't provide that to anyone else. Interestingly they charge the same amount to Wellcome as to everyone else as well...

That IS interesting.

-- Mike.

>
> Cheers
>
> Cameron
>
> On 2 Mar 2012, at 07:16, Mike Taylor wrote:
>
>> Very interesting.  The notion of "freely available to all on Science
>> Direct only for all time" suggests (again) that they really haven't
>> thought this through, as it implies a commitment to keep SD going
>> *forever* -- something they are really not in a position to do.
>>
>> It would *great* if someone paid the $3000, put a copy of the PDF on
>> the open web, and then got a takedown notice.  Almost worth spending
>> the money just to provoke such a ludicrous scenario!
>>
>> I'd like to post this information on SV-POW!, as a followup to these posts:
>> http://svpow.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/what-actually-is-elseviers-open-access-licence/
>> http://svpow.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/what-have-we-learned-about-elseviers-open-access-licence/
>> Can you please put me in touch with Dr. Roberts?
>>
>> -- Mike,
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 March 2012 01:33, Björn Brembs <b.brembs at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> some interesting information on the copyright
>>> transfer for Elsevier's 'sponsored articles':
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject
>>> ------------------------------ ---------------------------------
>>> Copyright on sponsored articles
>>>
>>>
>>> Discussion
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Response Via Email(Antoinette) - 01/03/2012 05.20 PM
>>>
>>> Dear Dr Roberts,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your e-mail.
>>>
>>> I can advise you to sign your copyright form as normal. Please choose the
>>> option that most applies to you.
>>>
>>> If you choose to pay for open access, your paper will be freely available
>>> to all on Science Direct only for all time.
>>>
>>> I hope this is of some help to you however if there is anything you are
>>> still not clear about, please do not hesitate to ask and please also
>>> provide me with your reference number or article title for me to check this
>>> in our production tracking system.
>>>
>>> You may also find the following link of interest:
>>>
>>> http://support.elsevier.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/557
>>>
>>> If responding to this e-mail, please ensure that the reference number
>>> remains in the subject line.
>>>
>>> Should you have any additional questions or concerns, please visit our
>>> self-help site at: http://support.elsevier.com/. Here you will be able to
>>> search for solutions on a range of topics, find answers to frequently asked
>>> questions and learn more about EES via interactive tutorials. You will also
>>> find our 24/7 support contact details should you need further assistance
>>> from one of our customer service representatives.
>>>
>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>
>>> Antoinette Duffy
>>>
>>> Elsevier Customer Support
>>>
>>> Copyright 2008 Elsevier Limited. All rights reserved.
>>> How are we doing? If you have any feedback on our customer service we would
>>> be happy to receive your comments at customerfeedback at elsevier.com
>>>
>>> ...............................................................
>>> Customer By Email (David Roberts) - 22/02/2012 07.15 AM
>>>
>>> Dear sir/madam,
>>>
>>> If I pay for my article to be sponsored so that it is ‘available to
>>> non-subscribers’ on Elsevier’s ‘electronic platform', what copyright
>>> notice do I sign? Elsevier is giving the article away – that is to say
>>> I have paid for the costs associated with the article – does Elsevier
>>> still own the copyright, and, more importantly, is the file allowed to
>>> be hosted anywhere else? Or, to put it another way, what is the legal
>>> status of the published article, and what future-proofing is there to
>>> maintain that free access in perpetuity?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> David Roberts
>>> --
>>> Visiting Research Fellow
>>> School of Mathematical Sciences
>>> University of Adelaide
>>>
>>> ...............................................................
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Björn Brembs
>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>> http://brembs.net
>>> Neurobiology
>>> Freie Universität Berlin
>>> Germany
>>>
>>>
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