[Open-access] Discussions with Elsevier on information-mining

[Tom Olijhoek]

Hi Peter and others,

I agree that all this is very very frustrating.
Still your action of calling different publishers in public to express
their views on textmining is the right strategy.
In the first place we have to make this knowledge (on the policy for
textmining) as public as possible.
Also, reading several OA policy papers (boring) from the EU  and the Ghent
declaration<http://www.openaire.eu/nl/component/content/article/76-highlights/223-seizing-the-opportunity-for-open-access-to-european-research-ghent-declaration-published>of
the EU that was signed by
 Gregor Hagedorn, Julius Kühn-Institute, BerlinFrederick Friend, University
College London, Jean-Claude Guédon, Université de Montréal and John
Willinsky, Stanford University it seems to me that we might find a strong
ally in "OpenAire" and Neelie Kroes".
We will need a lot of political pressure to achieve our goals and if we
could get Neelie Kroes at our side it could make a difference.
But perhaps I am naive to think that politics can actually change things ;)
TOM

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> This worries me greatly. Read it. It effectively acknowledges Elsevier's
> right to control what Universities can and cannot do. I have spent a
> fruitless few days being pushed around by Elsevier and I know the signs all
> too well.
>
> Libraries have signed away our rights because they didn't value them. One
> of the great disasters of modern scholarship. Now they are trying to get
> them back.
>
> Effectively:
> Elsevier: "our contract states that we have complete rights to forbid you
> to do anything other than humanly read our material"
> Librarians: "OK." (Maybe because they got a Big Deal in return.
> Scientists: "We have a right to mine the literature"
> Elsevier: "OK you can have bits of it as long as we control it"
>
> This is similar to HINARI. Publishers forbid the third worlds all access
> to scholarship and then give bits of it back. Aren't they generous.
>
> I shall blog it. I am now very depressed. We have ceded yet more rights
> and territory.
>
> FWIW Elsevier has offered to let me text mine if I explain my project to
> them and they agree and propose a special case for PeterMR because he's had
> an unfortunate time with Elsevier.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Björn Brembs <b.brembs at googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>> Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
>>
>> > I have been contacted by Alicia Wise of Elsevier about their refusal to
>> > allow me unrestricted mining of the content in Elsevier journals.
>>
>> See a similar discussion here:
>>
>>
>> http://researchremix.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/talking-text-mining-with-elsevier
>>
>> Bjoern
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Björn Brembs
>> ---------------------------------------------
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>> Neurobiology
>> Freie Universität Berlin
>> Germany
>>
>>
>
>
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> Peter Murray-Rust
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