[Open-access] Discussions with Elsevier on information-mining

Tue Mar 6 09:51:14 UTC 2012

I also left a reply on that post:
http://researchremix.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/talking-text-mining-with-elsevier/#comment-2242
and will probably blog it properly.

-- Mike.

On 6 March 2012 08:24, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> This worries me greatly. Read it. It effectively acknowledges Elsevier's
> right to control what Universities can and cannot do. I have spent a
> fruitless few days being pushed around by Elsevier and I know the signs all
> too well.
>
> Libraries have signed away our rights because they didn't value them. One of
> the great disasters of modern scholarship. Now they are trying to get them
> back.
>
> Effectively:
> Elsevier: "our contract states that we have complete rights to forbid you to
> do anything other than humanly read our material"
> Librarians: "OK." (Maybe because they got a Big Deal in return.
> Scientists: "We have a right to mine the literature"
> Elsevier: "OK you can have bits of it as long as we control it"
>
> This is similar to HINARI. Publishers forbid the third worlds all access to
> scholarship and then give bits of it back. Aren't they generous.
>
> I shall blog it. I am now very depressed. We have ceded yet more rights and
> territory.
>
> FWIW Elsevier has offered to let me text mine if I explain my project to
> them and they agree and propose a special case for PeterMR because he's had
> an unfortunate time with Elsevier.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Björn Brembs <b.brembs at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
>>
>> > I have been contacted by Alicia Wise of Elsevier about their refusal to
>> > allow me unrestricted mining of the content in Elsevier journals.
>>
>> See a similar discussion here:
>>
>>
>> http://researchremix.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/talking-text-mining-with-elsevier
>>
>> Bjoern
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Björn Brembs
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> http://brembs.net
>> Neurobiology
>> Freie Universität Berlin
>> Germany
>>
>
>
>
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> Peter Murray-Rust
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> University of Cambridge
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