[Open-access] [open-science] how open is it

Wed Oct 10 22:30:22 UTC 2012

Of course, it's your blog and your prerogative how you want to run it.
I'll just say that my experience of blog discussions has been very
different -- for example, see this discussion happening right now on
one of my blogs, on the relative merits of publishing research as
preprints or in journals:
        http://svpow.com/2012/10/10/counting-beans/

One benefit of this form of discussion is that it leaves a permanent
public record, which I can (and often do) refer back to years later.

-- Mike.

On 10 October 2012 23:24, Heather Morrison <hgmorris at sfu.ca> wrote:
> hi Mike,
>
> Thank you for your suggestion. My perspective is that discussion via blog commenting is not fruitful - it's like having a conversation with a group, except you can't see who is in the room unless they comment, and even then, you have no way of knowing if they have left before you reply. I've done this myself, posted a comment on a blog then completely forgot what the blog was and never went back.
>
> Apologies to the list, I think that this is a bit off-topic although fits within the broader scope of how to manage open discussions.
>
> best,
>
> Heather
>
> On 2012-10-10, at 2:32 PM, Mike Taylor wrote:
>
>> As a side-note, you would probably get more fruitful discussion if
>> your (otherwise excellent) blog allowed comments. As it is, you can
>> hardly be surprised if your pronouncements seem to vanish into the
>> ether.
>>
>> -- Mike.
>>
>>
>> On 10 October 2012 21:37, Heather Morrison <hgmorris at sfu.ca> wrote:
>>> My position - one that has been carefully thought through, based on many years of open access advocacy and knowledge of scholarly publishing through my work as a librarian - is that CC-BY is a problematic license for open access. Of the CC licenses, the strongest for OA is CC-BY-NC-SA since it protects OA downstream, however I am not convinced that it is appropriate to recommend any CC license as a default for OA.
>>>
>>> This is a very brief statement of my arguments, worked out in more detail in my draft thesis (see the chapters on open access and the conclusions), which can be downloaded from here:
>>> http://pages.cmns.sfu.ca/heather-morrison/2012/10/04/dissertation-defence-draft/
>>>
>>> This is not the main focus of my dissertation, and not all of my arguments can be found here (e.g. in the conclusions my point is that the equation of OA with CC-BY is an illustration of the dangers of what I call irrational rationalization).
>>>
>>> Substantive comments, particularly from people who take the time to read my work, would be most helpful. "The NC issue is an emotional one" is not a substantive comment.
>>>
>>> This discussion is happening on lists that I don't participate in - if someone could forward this message to lists that I'll miss, that would be most appreciated.
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> Heather Morrison
>>>
>>> On 2012-10-10, at 1:26 PM, Mike Taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, I had that experience, too. My guess is that most people go
>>>> through an NC phase before having a moment on enlightenment. I must
>>>> blog about this properly some time.
>>>>
>>>> -- Mike.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10 October 2012 21:25, Björn Brembs <b.brembs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Mike Taylor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> THANK you, Cameron.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second that. I read some of the critiques of CC-BY and
>>>>> didn't find them persuasive - in fact I didn't understand
>>>>> the arguments, really. Your arguments did make a lot of
>>>>> sense to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> The NC issue is an emotional one for those who simply don't
>>>>> want to see 'their' work commercialized without the
>>>>> profit-making organization paying anything for it. I can
>>>>> relate to that and I think I can remember ticking off 'NC'
>>>>> at least once somewhere. I find that very understandable -
>>>>> until one realizes that everybody already paid their share
>>>>> for this work via their taxes and don't really need to be
>>>>> paying again. Took me a while...
>>>>>
>>>>> Bjoern
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Björn Brembs
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>> http://brembs.net
>>>>> Neurogenetics
>>>>> Universität Regensburg
>>>>> Germany
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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