[Open-access] open-access Digest, Vol 27, Issue 11
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1. Re: Crowdsourcing request + BMJ OA Policy (Peter Murray-Rust)
2. Re: Crowdsourcing request + BMJ OA Policy (Peter Murray-Rust)
3. subscribe (Dennis Zielke)
4. Re: Crowdsourcing request + BMJ OA Policy (Kiley, Robert)
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:22:14 +0000
From: Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk>
To: Michelle Brook <michelle.brook at okfn.org>
Cc: Puneet Kishor <punkish at creativecommons.org>,
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Subject: Re: [Open-access] Crowdsourcing request + BMJ OA Policy
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No.
See http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_Attribution_2.5
This garble makes it unclear which licence is actually used (for example
words may have been omitted). Maybe it can be gleaned from author-facing
rubric. I have copied Puneet from CC to alert him to this gross misuse of
CC licences.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Michelle Brook <michelle.brook at okfn.org>wrote:
> Thanks Stuart :-D
>
> I wanted to get the WIley-Blackwell ones done, but got annoyed with the
> repeated statement:
>
> 'Copyright ? 2013 International Society for Neurochemistry' (this
> obviously varies across journals), 'Re-use of this article is permitted in
> accordance with the Creative Commons Deed, Attribution 2.5, which does not
> permit commercial exploitation.'
>
> Is there something I'm misunderstanding about cc-by version 2.5?
>
>
>
>
> On 21 March 2014 08:51, Stuart Lawson <stuart.a.lawson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm working my way through the PLOS journals on the spreadsheet, to get
>> the straightforward ones done...
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 20 March 2014 17:02, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we have to do a crowdsourcing on the Wellcome spreadsheet.
>>> (You'll see from my blog that some Elsevier papers are still behind
>>> paywalls). I'd suggest we extract:
>>>
>>> * number of copies (this is a problem as some copies are OA and some are
>>> not. Generally we need at least (a) Pubmed and (b) the formal journal . A
>>> third option might be Science Direct.
>>> * for each copy analyse (a) HTML(PDF) - they are often different
>>> * for each of those look for:
>>> "Open Access" or publisher equivalent (e.g. ACS "Author Choice")
>>> licence (if any)
>>> all-rights-reserved
>>> copyright
>>>
>>> I think we can later build crawlers and scrapers for this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:33 PM, ANDREW Theo <Theo.Andrew at ed.ac.uk>wrote:
>>>
>>>> >Yes, and we have to fight this. Noticed that Wiley seems to have
>>>> slipped back. And the problem is that they market CC-NC to academics as
>>>> >being in authors' interests.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Peter is right. Currently we have no data on what type of licences
>>>> people are choosing. The Wellcome Trust ask for CC BY, but it is starting
>>>> to look like many of the authors they fund are not choosing this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It is very worrying.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Peter Murray-Rust
>>> Reader in Molecular Informatics
>>> Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
>>> University of Cambridge
>>> CB2 1EW, UK
>>> +44-1223-763069
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:26:18 +0000
From: Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk>
To: "Kiley, Robert" <r.kiley at wellcome.ac.uk>
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Subject: Re: [Open-access] Crowdsourcing request + BMJ OA Policy
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On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Kiley, Robert <r.kiley at wellcome.ac.uk>wrote:
> Thanks for all the work you are doing in helping to analyse the Wellcome
> APC data. The Google docs crowdsourcing document is getting
> well-populated. See: https://t.co/nYmiX1aJ0C
>
>
And thanks to you and Wellcome Trust. Without your clarity we should be
fighting mud.
In terms of the licence, please remember that the Wellcome CC-BY condition
> only came into effect from 1st April, and it was for papers submitted after
> this date. ie A paper published in, say, October, but submitted before
> April 1st, would NOT need to have a CC-BY licence.
>
> Robert
>
>
But all papers should be outside paywalls on all publisher sites.
And only the author KNOWS what licence they asked for - they may well have
asked for CC-BY before April 1st.
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Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
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From: "Kiley, Robert" <r.kiley at wellcome.ac.uk>
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Thanks for all the work you are doing in helping to analyse the Wellcome APC data. The Google docs crowdsourcing document is getting well-populated. See: https://t.co/nYmiX1aJ0C
In terms of the licence, please remember that the Wellcome CC-BY condition only came into effect from 1st April, and it was for papers submitted after this date. ie A paper published in, say, October, but submitted before April 1st, would NOT need to have a CC-BY licence.
Robert
From: peter.murray.rust at googlemail.com [mailto:peter.murray.rust at googlemail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Murray-Rust
Sent: 21 March 2014 09:15
To: Stuart Lawson
Cc: open-access at lists.okfn.org; Kiley, Robert
Subject: Re: [Open-access] Crowdsourcing request + BMJ OA Policy
Great,
As you will see I am detecting papers in the spreadsheet that are still behind a paywall. Anyone can do this - all they have to do is find a paper, search for the title in Google and go to the PUBLISHER site. (Most papers are in Europe/PubMedCentral but that does not excuse them being behind a publisher paywall. If you only find the PMC site, click on the FullText button.
It's boring work, but valuable. I do it sitting in front of telly.
If you find a problem mail me, or this list giving full evidence (screenshots - since some publishers rapidly change the site when alerted).
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Stuart Lawson <stuart.a.lawson at gmail.com<mailto:stuart.a.lawson at gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm working my way through the PLOS journals on the spreadsheet, to get the straightforward ones done...
Stuart
On 20 March 2014 17:02, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk<mailto:pm286 at cam.ac.uk>> wrote:
I think we have to do a crowdsourcing on the Wellcome spreadsheet. (You'll see from my blog that some Elsevier papers are still behind paywalls). I'd suggest we extract:
* number of copies (this is a problem as some copies are OA and some are not. Generally we need at least (a) Pubmed and (b) the formal journal . A third option might be Science Direct.
* for each copy analyse (a) HTML(PDF) - they are often different
* for each of those look for:
"Open Access" or publisher equivalent (e.g. ACS "Author Choice")
licence (if any)
all-rights-reserved
copyright
I think we can later build crawlers and scrapers for this.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:33 PM, ANDREW Theo <Theo.Andrew at ed.ac.uk<mailto:Theo.Andrew at ed.ac.uk>> wrote:
>Yes, and we have to fight this. Noticed that Wiley seems to have slipped back. And the problem is that they market CC-NC to academics as >being in authors' interests.
Peter is right. Currently we have no data on what type of licences people are choosing. The Wellcome Trust ask for CC BY, but it is starting to look like many of the authors they fund are not choosing this.
It is very worrying.
--
Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
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