[Open-access] Crowdsourcing request + BMJ OA Policy

Mon Mar 24 10:58:29 UTC 2014

Hey all - pulled together some initial analysis on hybrid and pure journals
here: http://access.okfn.org/2014/03/24/scale-hybrid-journals-publishing/

I'll continue playing around with this data set over the next few days &
explore bits and pieces.

The sheer amount of hybrid journal publication is scary/concerning.

Michelle

On 24 March 2014 10:33, Peter Murray Rust
<peter.murray.rust at googlemail.com>wrote:

> Yes mike that's right
> You have expected to be able to convince elsevier et al to act in our
> interests . Fundamentally impossible. Part of problem is money spent on
> marketing and lobbying.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 24 Mar 2014, at 09:53, Mike Taylor <mike at indexdata.com> wrote:
>
> > There is a very fundamental point underlying Bjorn's position here,
> > which I feel that I am only now seeing clearly. For anyone else who's
> > been as slow as I have, here it is.
> >
> > In the exchange of scholarly information there are, fundamentally, two
> > parties: producers and consumers. Both of these have the same goal:
> > for research to be available as universally as possible. For
> > historical reasons a third party is involved in the process --
> > publishers -- and they do not have the same goal. I'm not blaming them
> > for that: it's not a moral failing, it's just a fact that they want
> > different things from what the writers and readers of scholarly
> > literature want.
> >
> > That's why publishers so often do things that we hate: the
> > fundamentally do not want what we want. It's that simple.
> >
> > -- Mike.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 24 March 2014 09:13, Bjoern Brembs <b.brembs at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Saturday, March 22, 2014, 12:06:01 PM, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> We clearly underestimate how backwards the Open Access
> >>> community is compared to Wikipedia, the F/LOSS movement
> >>> and Open government. Publishers can drive holes through
> >>> legislation and there are only a few of us to protect the
> >>> commons. I am disappointed that University libraries
> >>> aren't more active and knowledgeable.
> >>
> >> I share your disappointment, but what other options do we have? I think
> Richard Poynder hit it the nail on the head in many ways:
> >>
> >> http://poynder.blogspot.de/2014/03/the-state-of-open-access.html
> >>
> >> If we keep working with publishers, we get what we deserve. Just this
> morning again, I read about yet another publisher turning their backs on
> scientists:
> >>
> >>
> http://retractionwatch.com/2014/03/21/controversial-paper-linking-conspiracy-ideation-to-climate-change-skepticism-formally-retracted/
> >>
> >> Nothing to do with licenses, but still outrageous.
> >>
> >> If we keep treating publishers as viable options for our intellectual
> output, this is what we have to deal with.
> >>
> >> So if libraries don't do what we'd expect them to do, maybe it's time
> for us to demand the infrastructure we need for our texts, software and
> data?
> >>
> >> We should demand subscription cancellations to free up funds for
> infrastructure development, such that we can wean ourselves from the
> dependence of corporate publishers with orthogonal interests from ours.
> >>
> >> Let's help our libraries help us, instead of wearing them thin, torn
> between the demands of their faculty and those of the publishers.
> >>
> >> Before we can demand anything from libraries, we need to provide them
> with the wherewithal to actually deliver. Support subscription cuts now!
> >>
> >> Bjoern
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Björn Brembs
> >> ---------------------------------------------
> >> http://brembs.net
> >> Neurogenetics
> >> Universität Regensburg
> >> Germany
> >>
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