[Open-access] [open-science] Elsevier: some facts, by Tim Gowers

Fri May 2 11:28:57 UTC 2014

TPM: Technological protection measure != TMR= Technological Murray Rust

Now careful, peter, CC0 is a TLA :)
So says MFK.... :)

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> TPM = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module ??  I assume
> (roughly == Digital Rights Management DRM)
> TPP is specific to Pacific. The US has reinvented this as TTIP for Europe.
>
> All these TLAs scare me and they act directly against Open
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Fabiana Kubke <mf.kubke at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And by TMR I meant TPM - I am conflating TPM and PMR! :)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Fabiana Kubke <mf.kubke at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> New zealand does not have fair use - it has fair dealing. Fair use in
>>> the US (and I think Canada) allow I think for 10% reproduction of
>>> copyrighted material for "fair use".
>>>
>>> The way this was explained to me by my copyright officer is that for at
>>> least some works the education provisions of the copyright act are below
>>> the 10% reproduction allowed by fair use so we pay to get the 10%
>>> allowance.
>>>
>>> When libraries buy serial subscriptions (or textbooks), sometimes the
>>> contracts have included the reuse of the material for educational purposes
>>> (eg in students lecture notes, class slides etc). Some material we purchase
>>> does not include this allowance.
>>>
>>> The university purchases several licences, to the movie industry, the
>>> recording industry and the copyright body (I think equivalent to the
>>> Clearing House in the US and Canada) that extends the allowance for
>>> reproduction for educational use - in essence letting us reach (legally)
>>> the 10% (which ouf course US already has through fair use!)
>>>
>>> If I estimate correctly the UoAuckland would be paying somewhere between
>>> 1-2 M NZD p.a. for that privilege. We are lucky that our copyright law has
>>> other useful allowances (Like breaking TMR for legal purposes) which saves
>>> us a lot of money, althought he TransPacific Partnership agreement may
>>> change that . BUt that is a diff story :)
>>>
>>> Hope that clarifies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Tom Olijhoek <tom.olijhoek at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Fabiana Kubke <mf.kubke at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a bit late to the discussion - but if anyone is interested there
>>>>>> is interesting data on library expenditures in New Zealand and Australia
>>>>>> here http://statistics.caul.edu.au/inst_data.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're not late... :-) this is very welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  If I read hte data correctly, New Zealand spends about 50 million
>>>>>> p.a. (NZ Dollars) in serial subscriptions. This does not include the
>>>>>> copyright licencing fees that allow the reuse for education (as far as I
>>>>>> understand).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you expand on the re-use fees? This is an additional cost to
>>>>> subscriptions. Re-use payments are at least as problematic as
>>>>> subscriptions. But even harder to get a handle on. (?more FOIs?)
>>>>>
>>>>> I would think that copyright law always includes fair use policy which
>>>> applies especially to use for educational purposes?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> M Fabiana Kubke
>> Chair Advisory Panel Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand<http://www.creativecommons.org.nz/>
>> Department of Anatomy | University of Auckland | New Zealand
>> (+64) 9 373-7599 Ext 86002 | (+64)9 923 6002 (direct) | Mobile: (+64)
>> 210 437 121
>>
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>>
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> --
> Peter Murray-Rust
> Reader in Molecular Informatics
> Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
> University of Cambridge
> CB2 1EW, UK
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Zealand<http://www.creativecommons.org.nz/>
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