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Hi,<br>
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If so, I do not quite understand the difference between CC-BY and
CC-BY-SA. The "no additional restrictions" clause sounds quite
similar to "share alike": forbidding republication under stricter
terms is, so far, equivalent to keeping the same license.<br>
<br>
I'm quite convinced that NC is a problematic license, that prevents
a lot of fair and positive uses. Selling the content is clearly not
a problem, if only to be able to cover the expenses of diffusion
beyond the web (printed books, USB keys and so forth).<br>
<br>
Yet, avoiding a viral mechanism creates, imho, more problems than it
solves. It deprives the open access community of a strong incentive:
if you want to use it, you have to left it open. This is an
efficient way, yet not coercitive to encourage institutions to
become less copyright-centered.<br>
<br>
Besides the paradox developed by Heather meets one of my main
concerns: open access publication could be enclosed once more thanks
to the use of a non-viral license and a general reliance to
commercial service. Wikipedia has globally avoided this worrying
issue. While the commercial use of the encyclopedia is allowed it
has not entailed any kind of extensive exploitation, thanks to the
SA clause. Commercial services cannot profit from something that can
be reproduced for free. They have to recreate an artificial paywall
to perpetuate the value.<br>
<br>
PCL<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 19/01/14 18:49, Jan Velterop a
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<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">On 19 Jan 2014, at
15:49, Heather Morrison <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a>
wrote:<br>
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<div>However, one of the potential pitfalls of open licensing we
should be paying more attention to is that "no downstream
restrictions" includes "no downstream restrictions on
paywalls".</div>
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<span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">I don't think it
does. From the CC-BY licence:</span>
<ul id="deed-conditions-no-icons">
<li class="license" style="margin-bottom: 8px; list-style: none;
padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px;
min-height: 3.5em;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><strong>"No
additional restrictions</strong> — You may not apply legal
terms or <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/#"
id="technological_measures_popup" class="helpLink"
style="font-weight: bold;">technological measures</a> that
legally restrict others from doing anything the license
permits."</span></li>
<li class="license" style="margin-bottom: 8px; list-style: none;
padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px;
min-height: 3.5em;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255,
255, 255, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">A paywall
that everybody can just walk around is no more than an
invitation to make a payment, a donation. Which a potential
user can ignore. </span></li>
<li class="license" style="margin-bottom: 8px; list-style: none;
padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px;
min-height: 3.5em;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
auto;">NC is a control mechanism. It has no place in a
knowledge environment that is publicly funded for the
benefit of society at large. </span></li>
<li class="license" style="margin-bottom: 8px; list-style: none;
padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px;
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<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">In summary, the
view that open access can be usefully narrowly defined
through legal terms is the view of a subset of the open
access community. </div>
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<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Best,</div>
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<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Heather Morrison</div>
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On Jan 19, 2014, at 7:36 AM, "Emanuil Tolev" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:emanuil@cottagelabs.com">emanuil@cottagelabs.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Discrimination based on field of endeavour I thought
was the problem.
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<div>Even if some copyright exceptions allow use in
situations in which the license didn't *intend* to allow
such use, the license still discriminates based on the
type of activity ("field of endeavour") - doesn't allow
commercial use.</div>
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<div>The legal ability to use something for commercial
reasons and being told not to by the license are two
separate things, though obviously related. Being told
not to by the license makes it a non-open license
according to OKD.</div>
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<div>This isn't to say non-commercial licenses are evil in
all situations, I can't pass that judgement. But if you
use a non-commercial clause, you certainly can't call
the thing "open access" - it's accessible to some part
of the population, but it is not "open". Like this
anthology (which by the way looks like it's quite nice).</div>
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<div>Greetings,</div>
<div>Emanuil</div>
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On Sunday, 19 January 2014, Pal Lykkja <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lykkja@gmail.com">lykkja@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>What is the problem with CC-NC if it will be
possible to reuse like TDM throught copyright
exceptions that EU are working for?<br>
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Pål Lykkja<br>
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8:45 PM, Peter Murray-Rust <span dir="ltr">
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<div>Sounds useful.<br>
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One comment. CC-NC is not Open Access under
BOAI- and OKD- definitions. I'd urge you to
make the book CC-BY. If there are reasons that
you can't do this, please drop the term "Open
Access" and call it "free-of-charge". CC-NC
forbids many forms of redistribution and
re-use <br>
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2014 at 7:40 PM, Ulrich Herb <span
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Dear lists,<br>
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perhaps this might be of interest:
Yesterday an anthology on Open Science
was published: "Opening Science - The
Evolving Guide on How the Internet is
Changing Research, Collaboration and
Scholarly Publishing". It has been
edited by Sönke Bartling from the
German Cancer Research Center in
Heidelberg and Sascha Friesike,
researcher at the Alexander von
Humboldt Institute in Berlin. The
anthology knows four manifestations:
it is available as a printed book, as
an Open Access e-Book or PDF
collection under a CC BY-NC license,
and as an editable living document via
Github. for further information please
visit:<br>
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href="http://www.openingscience.org/get-the-book/"
target="_blank">http://www.openingscience.org/get-the-book/</a><br>
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