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    Hi,<br>
    <br>
    If so, I do not quite understand the difference between CC-BY and
    CC-BY-SA. The "no additional restrictions" clause sounds quite
    similar to "share alike": forbidding republication under stricter
    terms is, so far, equivalent to keeping the same license.<br>
    <br>
    I'm quite convinced that NC is a problematic license, that prevents
    a lot of fair and positive uses. Selling the content is  clearly not
    a problem, if only to be able to cover the expenses of diffusion
    beyond the web (printed books, USB keys and so forth).<br>
    <br>
    Yet, avoiding a viral mechanism creates, imho, more problems than it
    solves. It deprives the open access community of a strong incentive:
    if you want to use it, you have to left it open. This is an
    efficient way, yet not coercitive to encourage institutions to
    become less copyright-centered.<br>
    <br>
    Besides the paradox developed by Heather meets one of my main
    concerns: open access publication could be enclosed once more thanks
    to the use of a non-viral license and a general reliance to
    commercial service. Wikipedia has globally avoided this worrying
    issue. While the commercial use of the encyclopedia is allowed it
    has not entailed any kind of extensive exploitation, thanks to the
    SA clause. Commercial services cannot profit from something that can
    be reproduced for free. They have to recreate an artificial paywall
    to perpetuate the value.<br>
    <br>
    PCL<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 19/01/14 18:49, Jan Velterop a
      écrit :<br>
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      <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">On 19 Jan 2014, at
        15:49, Heather Morrison <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a>
        wrote:<br>
        [snip]</div>
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        <div>However, one of the potential pitfalls of open licensing we
          should be paying more attention to is that "no downstream
          restrictions" includes "no downstream restrictions on
          paywalls".</div>
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      <span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">I don't think it
        does. From the CC-BY licence:</span>
      <ul id="deed-conditions-no-icons">
        <li class="license" style="margin-bottom: 8px; list-style: none;
          padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px;
          min-height: 3.5em;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
            auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><strong>"No
              additional restrictions</strong> — You may not apply legal
            terms or <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/#"
              id="technological_measures_popup" class="helpLink"
              style="font-weight: bold;">technological measures</a> that
            legally restrict others from doing anything the license
            permits."</span></li>
        <li class="license" style="margin-bottom: 8px; list-style: none;
          padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px;
          min-height: 3.5em;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255,
            255, 255, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">A paywall
            that everybody can just walk around is no more than an
            invitation to make a payment, a donation. Which a potential
            user can ignore. </span></li>
        <li class="license" style="margin-bottom: 8px; list-style: none;
          padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px;
          min-height: 3.5em;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
            auto;">NC is a control mechanism. It has no place in a
            knowledge environment that is publicly funded for the
            benefit of society at large. </span></li>
        <li class="license" style="margin-bottom: 8px; list-style: none;
          padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px;
          min-height: 3.5em;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust:
            auto;">Jan Velterop</span></li>
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          <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">In summary, the
            view that open access can be usefully narrowly defined
            through legal terms is the view of a subset of the open
            access community. </div>
          <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>
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          <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Best,</div>
          <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>
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          <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Heather Morrison</div>
          <div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>
            On Jan 19, 2014, at 7:36 AM, "Emanuil Tolev" <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:emanuil@cottagelabs.com">emanuil@cottagelabs.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
            <br>
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            auto;">
            <div>Discrimination based on field of endeavour I thought
              was the problem.
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Even if some copyright exceptions allow use in
                situations in which the license didn't *intend* to allow
                such use, the license still discriminates based on the
                type of activity ("field of endeavour") - doesn't allow
                commercial use.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>The legal ability to use something for commercial
                reasons and being told not to by the license are two
                separate things, though obviously related. Being told
                not to by the license makes it a non-open license
                according to OKD.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>This isn't to say non-commercial licenses are evil in
                all situations, I can't pass that judgement. But if you
                use a non-commercial clause, you certainly can't call
                the thing "open access" - it's accessible to some part
                of the population, but it is not "open". Like this
                anthology (which by the way looks like it's quite nice).</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>Greetings,</div>
              <div>Emanuil</div>
              <div><br>
                On Sunday, 19 January 2014, Pal Lykkja <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lykkja@gmail.com">lykkja@gmail.com</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                    <div>What is the problem with CC-NC if it will be
                      possible to reuse like TDM throught copyright
                      exceptions that EU are working for?<br>
                      <br>
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                    Pål Lykkja<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at
                      8:45 PM, Peter Murray-Rust <span dir="ltr">
                        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                          'pm286@cam.ac.uk');" target="_blank">pm286@cam.ac.uk</a>></span>
                      wrote:<br>
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                          <div>Sounds useful.<br>
                            <br>
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                          One comment. CC-NC is not Open Access under
                          BOAI- and OKD- definitions. I'd urge you to
                          make the book CC-BY. If there are reasons that
                          you can't do this, please drop the term "Open
                          Access" and call it "free-of-charge". CC-NC
                          forbids many forms of redistribution and
                          re-use <br>
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                              <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 18,
                                2014 at 7:40 PM, Ulrich Herb <span
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                                  Dear lists,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  perhaps this might be of interest:
                                  Yesterday an anthology on Open Science
                                  was published: "Opening Science - The
                                  Evolving Guide on How the Internet is
                                  Changing Research, Collaboration and
                                  Scholarly Publishing". It has been
                                  edited by Sönke Bartling from the
                                  German Cancer Research Center in
                                  Heidelberg and  Sascha Friesike,
                                  researcher at the Alexander von
                                  Humboldt Institute in Berlin. The
                                  anthology knows four manifestations:
                                  it is available as a printed book,  as
                                  an Open Access e-Book or PDF
                                  collection under a CC BY-NC license,
                                  and as an editable living document via
                                  Github. for further information please
                                  visit:<br>
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                                    href="http://www.openingscience.org/get-the-book/"
                                    target="_blank">http://www.openingscience.org/get-the-book/</a><br>
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                                  Best regards<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Ulrich Herb<br>
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