<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><div><br></div></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">On 19 Jan 2014, at 15:49, Heather Morrison <<a href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a> wrote:<br>[snip]</div><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">
<div>However, one of the potential pitfalls of open licensing we should be paying more attention to is that "no downstream restrictions"
includes "no downstream restrictions on paywalls".</div></blockquote><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">I don't think it does. From the CC-BY licence:</span><ul id="deed-conditions-no-icons"><li class="license" style="margin-bottom: 8px; list-style: none; padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; min-height: 3.5em;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><strong>"No additional restrictions</strong> — You may not apply legal terms or <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/#" id="technological_measures_popup" class="helpLink" style="font-weight: bold;">technological measures</a> that legally restrict others from doing anything the license permits."</span></li><li class="license" style="margin-bottom: 8px; list-style: none; padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; min-height: 3.5em;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">A paywall that everybody can just walk around is no more than an invitation to make a payment, a donation. Which a potential user can ignore. </span></li><li class="license" style="margin-bottom: 8px; list-style: none; padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; min-height: 3.5em;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">NC is a control mechanism. It has no place in a knowledge environment that is publicly funded for the benefit of society at large. </span></li><li class="license" style="margin-bottom: 8px; list-style: none; padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-top: 5px; min-height: 3.5em;"><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Jan Velterop</span></li></ul><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">In summary, the view that open access can be usefully narrowly defined through legal terms is the view of a subset of the open access community. </div>
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<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Best,</div>
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On Jan 19, 2014, at 7:36 AM, "Emanuil Tolev" <<a href="mailto:emanuil@cottagelabs.com">emanuil@cottagelabs.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Discrimination based on field of endeavour I thought was the problem.
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<div>Even if some copyright exceptions allow use in situations in which the license didn't *intend* to allow such use, the license still discriminates based on the type of activity ("field of endeavour") - doesn't allow commercial use.</div>
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<div>The legal ability to use something for commercial reasons and being told not to by the license are two separate things, though obviously related. Being told not to by the license makes it a non-open license according to OKD.</div>
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<div>This isn't to say non-commercial licenses are evil in all situations, I can't pass that judgement. But if you use a non-commercial clause, you certainly can't call the thing "open access" - it's accessible to some part of the population, but it is not
"open". Like this anthology (which by the way looks like it's quite nice).</div>
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<div>Greetings,</div>
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On Sunday, 19 January 2014, Pal Lykkja <<a href="mailto:lykkja@gmail.com">lykkja@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>What is the problem with CC-NC if it will be possible to reuse like TDM throught copyright exceptions that EU are working for?<br>
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One comment. CC-NC is not Open Access under BOAI- and OKD- definitions. I'd urge you to make the book CC-BY. If there are reasons that you can't do this, please drop the term "Open Access" and call it "free-of-charge". CC-NC forbids many forms of redistribution
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Ulrich Herb <span dir="ltr">
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perhaps this might be of interest: Yesterday an anthology on Open Science was published: "Opening Science - The Evolving Guide on How the Internet is Changing Research, Collaboration and Scholarly Publishing". It has been edited by Sönke Bartling from the German
Cancer Research Center in Heidelberg and Sascha Friesike, researcher at the Alexander von Humboldt Institute in Berlin. The anthology knows four manifestations: it is available as a printed book, as an Open Access e-Book or PDF collection under a CC BY-NC
license, and as an editable living document via Github. for further information please visit:<br>
<a href="http://www.openingscience.org/get-the-book/" target="_blank">http://www.openingscience.org/<u></u>get-the-book/</a><br>
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