<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thanks Marcin for this very valuable piece of information.</span><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I still do not recall exactly where I heard that copyright for articles published before 1999 does nor apply to electronic versions.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I think I heard this at the Berlin10 conference in South Africa , I will try to find the right citation (Mike)</div><div class="" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<div id=":396" class="" tabindex="0"><img class="" src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/images/cleardot.gif" style=""></div><div id=":396" class="" tabindex="0">TOM</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Marcin Wojnarski <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marcin.wojnarski@tunedit.org" target="_blank">marcin.wojnarski@tunedit.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>That's wonderful!<br>
In Polish copyright law, there has been always the concept of
"fields of exploitation" of a creative work. For the transfer of
copyright to be legally correct and binding, all intended fields
of exploitation must be explicitly named in the contract between
author and publisher. If a given field is not specified, copyright
is not transfered for this field of use. Moreover, it's not
allowed to use general statements like "all fields of
exploitation" or "all future fields of exploitation" - this is
incorrect and has no legal effect. For a reference, see:
<a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Polish_Copyright_Law" target="_blank">http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Polish_Copyright_Law</a> (Article 41, p.
2 & 4) or
<a href="http://www.artserwis.pl/index.php?f=1&fgid=1&fqid=23" target="_blank">http://www.artserwis.pl/index.php?f=1&fgid=1&fqid=23</a> (in
Polish).<br>
<br>
Now, internet and digital distribution is a new, separate field of
exploitation. But in contracts signed before internet era, say
until 90s, this field couldn't have been specified, so all those
contracts are valid only for traditional forms of use of the work
and not for the web. Thus, for internet use, copyright to these
publications still belongs to respective authors and not to
publishers. :)<br>
<br>
That's how it works in Poland. It can be different in other
countries.<br>
<br>
Marcin<div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 01/31/2014 04:46 PM, Tom Olijhoek wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Isn't it the case that for everything published before
1999 the copyright does not apply to any electronic version?
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<div>Tom<br>
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On Friday, January 31, 2014, Mike Taylor <<a href="mailto:mike@indexdata.com" target="_blank">mike@indexdata.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Between you
and me ... (c) is rife in the world of vertebrate<br>
palaeontology, where large collections of old but
not-out-of-copyright<br>
papers routinely circulate.<br>
<br>
-- Mike.<br>
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On 31 January 2014 14:43, Peter Murray-Rust <<a>pm286@cam.ac.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
> I fully understand. It's not just in HSS. Chemical papers
100 years old are<br>
> still useful. And certainly i observational biology.<br>
><br>
> It's worth using the OAButton - if only to reduce your
blood pressure. It<br>
> may also highlight the problem - if OAButton can count
the ages of the<br>
> papers that might show your problem was common.<br>
><br>
> The forces for change could be (a) legislation. (b) a
change in the<br>
> publishing market. Neither are fast. (c) Civil
disobedience would also work.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Bjoern Brembs <<a>b.brembs@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Friday, January 31, 2014, 3:03:56 PM, you wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > But I am under the impression that this fight
tends to forget<br>
>> > former journals, old papers, etc. some of which
are, at<br>
>> > least in social sciences, still relevant and
useful. Could<br>
>> > we launch a sort of a campaign "OA for now, but
also OA to<br>
>> > the past", in order to entice researchers to put
all their<br>
>> > old papers in OA? Or support libraries that
could do it<br>
>> > with their old collections or older series?
Maybe this is<br>
>> > already in the make and I am not aware of it?<br>
>><br>
>> This is something that I think should be solvable in
principle.<br>
>> Copyright expires after a number of years. Depending
on several factors,<br>
>> this can be 28 years, 70 years, 95 years or 120
years. So in most cases, a<br>
>> 1994 article is still protected by copyright and is
just as difficult to<br>
>> make OA as any other copyrighted, more recent
article.<br>
>><br>
>> But I agree with you that libraries should try and
harvest everything,<br>
>> independent of its protection and make available
everything that is legal to<br>
>> make available.<br>
>> I would really like to see how one would apply
copyright law to determine<br>
>> which articles in the scholarly literature could be
seen as publicly<br>
>> accessible at this point in time and what percentage
of the scholarly<br>
>> literature this would be.<br>
>> Does anybody know someone who could answer this
question, ideally in paper<br>
>> form for our special issue? :-)<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>><br>
>> Bjoern<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Björn Brembs<br>
>> ---------------------------------------------<br>
>> <a href="http://brembs.net" target="_blank">http://brembs.net</a><br>
>> Neurogenetics<br>
>> Universität Regensburg<br>
>> Germany<br>
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