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clear. I would advocate removing those aspects that contradict this clear
statement - but it may be this has too many consequences at this stage, I
don't know.
> > Some of these issues have been discussed widely in the library community,
> > and although the conclusions there are perhaps far from perfect, it seems
> > that there is some significant overlap but with different terminology. In
> > particular I'm thinking of FRBR
> > (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_Requirements_for_Bibliographic_Records
> )
>
> The target users of the Freebase schema are everyday people, not
> librarians, which may account for some of the differences. The
> emphasis is also on pragmatic usefulness with available data and
> available user interfaces as opposed to necessarily modeling
> everything perfectly.
>
I'm in favour of this approach - whether for librarians or others.
>
> > What you are defining here as a 'book' seems to have much in common with
> > what FRBR terms a 'work'. For me it would make a lot of sense if there
> could
> > be some work to pull this together in some way.
>
> Yes, they are basically equivalent. I'm not sure how you'd like to
> see this pulled together. I don't think adding a mention of FRBR is
> going to help the Freebase user who is trying to decide "What type(s)
> should I use with this data I want to enter/query?" What actions did
> you have in mind here?
>
>
Fair question - I'm probably not sure what I mean either. I guess I was just
seeing several pieces of work that seem to be heading in the same direction
and asking the question of whether there are synergies that can be
expoited.
Owen
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Thanks Tom,<div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex;">Hi Owen. =A0The purpose of the exercise that Anne is driving=
is to fine<br>
tune the Freebase type descriptions to match the actual usage, not<br>
make substantive changes. =A0What you're seeing is reflective of the<br=
>
scheme that's in use today.<br>
<div class=3D"im"></div></blockquote><div>Thanks for clarifying - that'=
s useful to know.=A0</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><di=
v class=3D"im">
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 4:12 AM, Owen Stephens <<a href=3D"mailto:owen at o=
stephens.com">owen at ostephens.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> I have to admit that I think the definition of 'book' given he=
re is slightly<br>
> confusing as it takes a commonly used term and defines it as something=
<br>
> different.<br>
<br>
</div>To some degree this is inevitable, because common usage is to use the=
<br>
term "book" to mean at least a couple of different things. =A0Peo=
ple use<br>
it to mean both the author's work as well the particular editor or<br>
copy in our library. =A0Another possible choice would be to avoid the<br>
use of the term altogether since it's potentially confusing, but I<br>
think it provides a useful anchor to help orient people. =A0They want<br>
information on "books" not "works" or "manifestati=
ons."<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Agreed that book is not an unambiguo=
us term even in daily usage, and also agreed that most people find it helpf=
ul to think about 'books' and dropping the term would be more confu=
sing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Probably my main concern is (as noted in my previous ma=
il) that the first part of the definition '<span class=3D"Apple-style-s=
pan" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(34, 34, =
34); line-height: 19px; ">A book is a written work or a collection of writt=
en works in book form.', is contradicted by other parts of the definiti=
on.</span></div>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; fon=
t-size: 13px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); line-height: 19px; "><br></span></div=
><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 13px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); line-height: 19px; ">From my perspec=
tive this first part of the definition is a good focus, and clear. I would =
advocate removing those aspects that contradict this clear statement - but =
it may be this has too many consequences at this stage, I don't know.</=
span></div>
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im">> Some o=
f these issues have been discussed widely in the library community,<br>
> and although the conclusions there are perhaps far from perfect, it se=
ems<br>
> that there is some significant overlap but with different terminology.=
In<br>
> particular I'm thinking of FRBR<br>
> (<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_Requirements_for_B=
ibliographic_Records" target=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functi=
onal_Requirements_for_Bibliographic_Records</a>)<br>
<br>
</div>The target users of the Freebase schema are everyday people, not<br>
librarians, which may account for some of the differences. =A0The<br>
emphasis is also on pragmatic usefulness with available data and<br>
available user interfaces as opposed to necessarily modeling<br>
everything perfectly.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm in favour=
of this approach - whether for librarians or others.</div><div>=A0</div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"im"><br>
> What you are defining here as a 'book' seems to have much in c=
ommon with<br>
> what FRBR terms a 'work'. For me it would make a lot of sense =
if there could<br>
> be some work to pull this together in some way.<br>
<br>
</div>Yes, they are basically equivalent. =A0I'm not sure how you'd=
like to<br>
see this pulled together. =A0I don't think adding a mention of FRBR is<=
br>
going to help the Freebase user who is trying to decide "What type(s)<=
br>
should I use with this data I want to enter/query?" =A0What actions di=
d<br>
you have in mind here?<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Fair question - I'm probably not s=
ure what I mean either. I guess I was just seeing several pieces of work th=
at seem to be heading in the same direction and asking the question of whet=
her there are synergies that can be expoited.=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>Owen</div></div>
</div>
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