[Open-data-census] [okfn-discuss] A question about the Open Data census scoring system
Pierre Chrzanowski
pierre.chrzanowski at gmail.com
Tue Oct 1 15:46:07 BST 2013
Thanks FENG,
I think we should test different methodologies having in mind that the
score calculation should :
1/ be very simple and easy to understand
2/ really value openess of a dataset as defined by the opendefinition
3/ clearly express what is assessed and what is not (for instance quality
of the dataset is not)
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 4:12 PM, FENG GAO <gaofeng860918 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, Pierre:
>
> I agree that the current scoring system is problematic
>
> but I'm not sure whether 0 is appropriate for non-open dataset. Since a
> country having the dataset publicly available (but not open) is different
> from a country having no such data at all. The scoring system should be
> able to differentiate them from each other.
>
> so perhaps only when the dataset does not exist then it is scored 0,
> otherwise, it depends on whether it is publicly available and whether it is
> open. The scoring system proposed by @stefenw (
> https://github.com/okfn/opendatacensus/issues/33?source=cc) seems to be
> reasonable.
>
> Feng
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Pierre Chrzanowski <
> pierre.chrzanowski at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All, I already got some feedbacks about the new census results and
>> most of the time people are quite surprised with the total score and
>> position of France. I think the fact that France (whose most of datasets
>> are openly licensed) and China (whose datasets are not open) share almost
>> the same score is one of the main reasons.
>>
>> I already expressed my concerns to Christian that the scoring system
>> could be misleading, or even irrelevant.
>> And regarding the first feedbacks I got, I must say I am now quite sure
>> it is misleading ;)
>>
>> Then, I would suggest to :
>>
>> 1/ remove the actual score which does not reflect openess of datasets in
>> the countries
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2/ create a scoring system that really value openess (i.e score 0 if
>> dataset not open)
>>
>> That being said, I am also wondering if it would not be better not have a
>> score at all ...
>>
>> What do you think ?
>>
>> I found a discussion on the scoring calculation methodology and how it
>> has evolved here
>> https://github.com/okfn/opendatacensus/issues/33?source=cc
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Christian Villum <
>> christian.villum at okfn.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Tatyana,
>>>
>>> Thank you for offering to help, we will definitely be explaining the
>>> methodology on the site as part of the coming updates.
>>> We'll also look into the EXMO tool, thanks for the tip.
>>>
>>> Let's stay in touch!
>>>
>>> -Christian
>>>
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>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Tatyana Tolsteneva <
>>> tatyanatolsteneva at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Rufus,
>>>>
>>>> thanks a lot for your respond.
>>>> I would like suggest to join to the idea of developing and publishing
>>>> full methodology of the Census.
>>>> We in the Freedom of Information Foundation (Russia) have already done
>>>> tis job for our monitoring (please see our methodology on our web-site in
>>>> English http://www.svobodainfo.org/en/node/1014).
>>>> We would be happy to provide translation support and translate the
>>>> Census methodology in Russian.
>>>>
>>>> Also we would be pleasant to offer you our ICT monitoring tool - EXMO
>>>> system, specially developed for government web-sites monitoring. Please
>>>> find the article about EXMO work here (in English)
>>>> http://www.svobodainfo.org/en/node/2162
>>>> Just note, that unique quantity of EXMO is it's interaction part, which
>>>> allows not only measure government openness level, but also improve it via
>>>> internet communication with officials.
>>>>
>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Tatyana Tolsteneva
>>>> Development manager
>>>> tatyana.tolsteneva at svobodainfo.org
>>>>
>>>> Freedom of Information Foundation
>>>> (formerly known as Institute for Information Freedom Development)
>>>> P.O. Box 527, St.-Petersburg, 192007, Russia
>>>> Phone: +7 812 766-03-66
>>>> Fax: +7 812 766-52-61
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>>>> www.svobodainfo.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 01.08.2013, в 14:06, Rufus Pollock написал(а):
>>>>
>>>> On 1 August 2013 10:24, Tatyana Tolsteneva <tatyanatolsteneva at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Rufus,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks a lot for your explanation, i have already found it here
>>>>> https://github.com/okfn/opendatacensus/issues/33.
>>>>> Please take my apologies for "OKNF", it was just a misprint.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No worries :-) (Just making sure not a confusion as opposed to typo!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here in Russia the Census it considered to be most authoritative
>>>>> comparative study of open data around the world. And here we really feel
>>>>> some lack of official information about the Census methodology.
>>>>> It seems, this problem could be solved by official publication of the
>>>>> methodology on the Census website.
>>>>> Could it be possible? What do you think about the methodology
>>>>> publication?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes this is a very good idea and we'll get moving on this right away.
>>>> Any suggestions for specific things to include or language are very welcome!
>>>>
>>>> Rufus
>>>>
>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tatyana Tolsteneva
>>>>> Development manager
>>>>> tatyana.tolsteneva at svobodainfo.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Freedom of Information Foundation
>>>>> (formerly known as Institute for Information Freedom Development)
>>>>> P.O. Box 527, St.-Petersburg, 192007, Russia
>>>>> Phone: +7 812 766-03-66
>>>>> Fax: +7 812 766-52-61
>>>>> Email: info at svobodainfo.org <info at svobodainfo.org>
>>>>> www.svobodainfo.org
>>>>>
>>>>> 31.07.2013, в 22:28, Rufus Pollock написал(а):
>>>>>
>>>>> [changing mailing list from okfn-discuss to open-data-census]
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 July 2013 12:06, Tatyana Tolsteneva <tatyanatolsteneva at gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>>> my name is Tatyana and i'm a development manager of the Freedom of
>>>>>> Information Foundation - Russian FOI-advocasy NGO based in St. Petersburg.
>>>>>> I'm interested in the OKNF Open Data Census scoring system because i
>>>>>> can't catch it's idea of it http://census.okfn.org/G8/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OKFN (Open Knowledge Foundation (Network))
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> At first i had a hypothesis, that each "yes" costs 1 poin and
>>>>>> points just should to be summarized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's almost the case but not quite: whether data is up to date does
>>>>> not count towards the total score.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> This idea has been perfect, if maximum for all questions would have
>>>>>> been 7.
>>>>>> But we have 6 as maximum.
>>>>>> So my question is about "data existence" column
>>>>>>
>>>>> IN case all "yes" should cost 1 points, it should be 7 as maximum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See above.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Form the table http://census.okfn.org/G8/ i can see that some
>>>>>> times "yes" per "data existence" is taken into the account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It should be always taken into account.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fo example, Transport timetable is Russia, Government spending is
>>>>>> France and in Italy.
>>>>>> But in the majority of cases YES per "data existence" is not included
>>>>>> into the account. For example Zip-codes Russia
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is included there - it's up to date that is not included.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And speaking about Russian case, company register for Russia has 2/6
>>>>>> and Transport timetable has 2/6, but Company register is up to date
>>>>>> and Transport timetable is not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See above.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you be so kind to explain this scoring and situation with
>>>>>> points for "data existence" and i woul be specially glad for explaining in
>>>>>> the context of the Russian score.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope the above clarifies things. Also thanks for asking as your
>>>>> questions will encourage us to put up further documentation on the website!
>>>>>
>>>>> Rufus
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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