[Open-data-census] [od-discuss] [CLARIFICATION REQUIRED] Can PSI Licence be considered an "open" license?

Thu Oct 10 07:09:38 BST 2013

I agree with Andrew,

In addition, I think that indemnities are also inappropriate for open
(data) licences.  But I appreciate the definition is silent on this issue.

Kind regards

b

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On 10 October 2013 02:48, Andrew Stott <andrew.stott at dirdigeng.com> wrote:

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> To me clauses 4.1(4)(a), 4.1(4)(b), 4.1(4)(d), 4.1(6), 6.1(1)(b) (which
> allows the Licensor to charge, for goodness sake) and 9.1 (Licensee to be
> bound by a future Licence which may not be Open) all raise questions about
> Openness.  It does not look like an Open Licence to me.****
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> *From:* open-data-census-bounces at lists.okfn.org [mailto:
> open-data-census-bounces at lists.okfn.org] *On Behalf Of *Denis Parfenov
> *Sent:* 09 October 2013 17:00
> *To:* Pieter Colpaert; od-discuss at lists.okfn.org; Ton Zijlstra; Rufus
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> Ton, Peter and Rufus,    ****
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> Thanks for your thoughts. I am not a lawyer either. Now I'm even more
> puzzled.****
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> (There is an ongoing debate among local open data community members
> whether PSI open or not<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/open-data-ireland/0XSwDDneGEU>
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> Lets see if anyone on od-discuss at lists.okfn.org can add some clarity.****
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> On 9 October 2013 16:51, Pieter Colpaert <pieter.colpaert at okfn.org> wrote:
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> Concerning terms:
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> PSI is more than open data. PSI can be made available behind a pay wall
> (marginal cost) and as far as I understood "for non commercial purposes
> only" is also still PSI.
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> Just scrolling through the license, I've noticed that there is an article
> which says sublicensing isn't allowed (if I understood correctly) and this
> is certainly not an open license.
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> On 10/09/2013 05:45 PM, Rufus Pollock wrote:****
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> Denis: suggest asking Open Definition list at
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> They have an official conformance process for checking licenses conform to
> Open Definition.****
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> On 9 October 2013 16:17, Denis Parfenov <denis.parfenov at gmail.com> wrote:*
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> I incline to consider PSI to be open also. Just checking.****
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> On 9 October 2013 16:14, Tracey Lauriault <Tracey.Lauriault at nuim.ie>
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> Denis;
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> At the Hackthon in Dublin, the data invetory team had classified PSI as
> open.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Denis Parfenov <denis.parfenov at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 4:09 pm
> Subject: [CLARIFICATION REQUIRED] Can PSI Licence be considered an "open"
> license?
> To: open-data-census <open-data-census at lists.okfn.org>, Ton Zijlstra <
> ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>
> Cc: local <local at okfn.org>, Christian Villum <christian.villum at okfn.org>,
> Tracey Lauriault <Tracey.Lauriault at nuim.ie>, Flora Butcher <
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> > Hi Ton,
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> > As you know most of the data produced by the Irish govt agencies<http://psi.gov.ie/government-departments/>fall under PSI
> license <http://psi.gov.ie/files/2010/03/PSI-Licence.pdf>.****
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> > Quick and very important question: Do we consider PSI License as "open"
> license?
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> > (I don't see PSI listed http://opendefinition.org/licenses/)<http://opendefinition.org/licenses/>
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