[Open-data-census] The 2013 Open Data Census submission and review is ready to go!
Christian Villum
christian.villum at okfn.org
Fri Sep 27 18:09:47 BST 2013
Hi Tracey,
Thanks as always for your input, I'll reply inline below.
-Christian
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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlauriau at gmail.com>wrote:
> Thank you Christian;
>
> I just went to take a look and I can see that you provided a new comment
> box, excellent, however, there was also a request for
>
> Yes No For *Some Jurisdictions* Unsure and to have a place for notes
> right there. For example, on the transportation question, sure you can get
> a paper schedule for most, but for us in Canada, as previously discussed,
> transit is not delivered by a central national authority, it is deliverly
> by cities and municipalities. If we decided to narrow things a bit, from
> 3500 cities, and decide to pick all cities over 100 000 people, then we
> would be down to about 37 cities, then we would have to assess at that
> level. For each of your questions. For the time being we would have to
> respond unsure for all, and write this big long note to you.
>
I understand, it's a complicated situation. Did you by any chance include
this comment in the submission also? I think that would be appropriate and
useful.
> In addition, Statistics Canada just sent Diane and I a note requesting
> that we up the score for Statistical Data, see the correspondence below.
>
Thanks for giving them such detailed feedback, it's exemplary Country
Editor work.
> Again, the way the government is structured we can say yes to some, but
> must say no to others. For example, might be yes for some at the federal
> level, not all departments, but then when we get to provinces and
> territories, then the issue becomes very problematic. Think of Canada as
> you would the EU in terms of federated jurisdictions with different ways of
> doing things.
>
Yes, this is surely one of the bigger issues, as also discussed before. I
am confident that this is one of the issues we'll be looking into post-OGP
when addressing how to expand the Census.
> I tried to participate in the WG remotely, but as you were aware, the wifi
> issue was problematic.
>
Yes, I am sorry for the faulty connection - the venue of the conference was
unable to handle the number of connections, and the remote linkups to
sessions suffered from that. Thanks for trying though!
> I am not sure how we can work with this new version, as wonderful as it
> might be for those who have centralized national governments who do all of
> these things.
>
> How can I help improve this with you so that we can have a more nuanced
> picture of the results? I would be so happy to participate in a working
> groups of sorts.
>
That's great! Stay tuned here on the list, where we'll have the discussion
booted after the OGP summit.
> Sincerely
> Tracey
>
> StatCan correspondence below:
>
> Andrew;
>>
>> Some of Statistics Canada data are under that licence, most are not. For
>> example, economic division, environment, health, crime and so on are not
>> nor are population projections, death rates, birth rates and so on are not
>> under that licence. If you wish to have cross tabs on the free data, that
>> is at a very large cost, as that is considered a custom order, of if you
>> want data aggregated to boundaries such as wards, neighbourhoods or health
>> districts, that also is a very hight cost. In addition, our current
>> government cancelled the census, as you know, the free data from the
>> national household survey are considered unreliable and uneven and do not
>> scale down to smaller geographies due to the methodology adapted.
>> Statistics Canada made the census data free, real census data as they had
>> recovered the costs from earlier sales, what they made free were these NHS
>> which are of much less quality and ealier census data only.
>>
>> What is available via the portal is a small sample of what the
>> statistical agency holds, and in fact, for real data practioners and users,
>> we do not go to the portal as the search functionality is terrible. The
>> system in place does not scale well. Most people still go to the
>> statistics canada website as you have the data with the methodological
>> guides, the surveys and so on, the information surrounding the data. In
>> theory a centralized portal seems nice, but the reality is, in the case of
>> Canada anyway, there is a distance created between the data producer and
>> the user when the data are centralized in this way, which means you loose
>> context and access to the specialists who can answer questions. Also, the
>> geographic search for the data are lost in this centralized portal. So it
>> is not the best way.
>>
>> Furthermore, that is only one agency, there is citizenship, hrsdc,
>> industry, and so on who all produce statistical data as well as
>> administrative data and their data are not in the portal as they should be
>> nor are they available from their site. The ranking is not just for
>> Statcan it is for statistical data in general.
>>
>> I think the score should remain the same, and in fact, if we actually had
>> access to the inventory of datasets produced by the federal government, we
>> may consider lowering this score even more, as only a small sample of
>> actually produced federal data are in that portal. Finally, with the
>> decimation of Library and Archives Canada, access to historical data are
>> now impeded.
>>
>> Until which time that all data are open, I think this score has to stay.
>>
>> Thank you for bringing it up howerver.
>> Sincerely
>> Tracey
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:58 PM, <Andrew.Smith at statcan.gc.ca> wrote:
>> Hello Diane, Tracey and Patricia,
>>
>> As you are listed as editors for Canada for the OKFN Open Data Census, we
>> are contacting you regarding updates to the OKFN website.
>>
>> The National Statistics section for Canada in the G8 OKFN Open Data
>> Census has a mark of 3/6. The reasoning for that mark is that Canadian
>> national statistics are not openly licensed and free.
>>
>> This is outdated information, the data on the Statistics Canada website
>> is free and openly licensed since 2012. The licence is available here:
>> *http://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/reference/licence-eng*<http://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/reference/licence-eng>
>>
>> Also the data is freely available through the Open Data portal data.gc.cafor all federal statistics and is also covered under the Open Government
>> Licence found here: *http://data.gc.ca/eng/open-government-licence-canada
>> * <http://data.gc.ca/eng/open-government-licence-canada>
>>
>>
>> Would you contact or update the OKFN website to reflect these changes and
>> increase the mark?
>> *http://census.okfn.org/contribute/* <http://census.okfn.org/contribute/>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> Andrew Smith
>> Unit Head | Chef d’unité
>> Electronic Solutions | Solutions électroniques
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>> Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6
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>> *Andrew.Smith at statcan.gc.ca* <Andrew.Smith at statcan.gc.ca>
>> Telephone | Téléphone 613-951-1152
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>> Cellular | Cellulaire 613-897-4230
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>>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Christian Villum <
> christian.villum at okfn.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Exciting news: The new Census submission and review system is ready to go!
>>
>> We now need your help with:
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>> Everyone: Contributing new entries where information is missing
>> -
>>
>> Editors: Reviewing submissions
>>
>>
>> To start contributing and reviewing please visit this page which has
>> detailed instructions (also inlined below):
>>
>> http://2013.census.okfn.org/contribute/
>>
>> Our target is to have done a first pass of both new submissions and
>> initial reviewing by Wednesday next week (October 2).
>>
>> If you have any questions or issues please let us know!
>>
>> - Christian & Ton
>>
>> ****
>>
>> INSTRUCTIONS
>>
>>
>> Where it says “list below” refer to the list at
>> http://2013.census.okfn.org/contribute/
>> How do I submit new information?<http://staging.census.okfn.org/country/>
>>
>> Anyone can submit new information to the Census.
>>
>>
>> 1.
>>
>> Select your country in the list below and click on it.
>> 2.
>>
>> You are now on the Country overview page for that country
>> 3.
>>
>> Click the blue “Submit Information” button on the right next to the
>> appropriate category.
>> 4.
>>
>> Fill the form based on the data set you have found (there are
>> detailed instructions on the page).
>> 5.
>>
>> Click Submit. Your submission is now waiting for review, and will be
>> visible in the table as 'awaiting review' after a few minutes.
>>
>> How do I review submissions? <http://staging.census.okfn.org/country/>
>>
>> Only Census Country Editors can review submissions. If you’d like to
>> become an editor, email the Census team on census at okfn.org.
>>
>>
>> 1.
>>
>> Select your country in the list below
>> 2.
>>
>> On your Country overview page, see if there are any pending
>> submissions (items with Review Now next to them!)
>> 1.
>>
>> If no pending submissions there is nothing to do! All done!
>> 3.
>>
>> Click Review Now on a pending submission
>> 1.
>>
>> You will be prompted to log in if you are not logged in
>> 2.
>>
>> To review, you need to sign up to become a Country Editor - do so
>> by sending an email to the Census team on census at okfn.org
>> 4.
>>
>> You will be taken to the review page where there will be instructions
>> 1.
>>
>> Remember you can edit the submission - and incorporate material
>> from the current entry (if there is one). Comments can be particularly
>> valuable, so consider merging old and new comments.
>> 5.
>>
>> Publish or Reject
>> 1.
>>
>> If submission is incorrect or lower quality than existing entry,
>> click Reject.
>> 2.
>>
>> If submission is better than existing entry click Publish. Note
>> that if you choose to publish the submission you are reviewing, it will
>> overwrite the old submission entirely! So think carefully whether you need
>> to merge any content first.
>> 3.
>>
>> Note that you might need to refresh the site to see the greyed-out
>> queued entry you’ve just processed disappear.
>>
>> How do I propose a change to an existing entry?<http://staging.census.okfn.org/country/>
>>
>> 1.
>>
>> Go to the correct country by clicking it.<http://staging.census.okfn.org/country/>
>> 2.
>>
>> On the Country overview page, click the blue “Submit Information”
>> button on the right next to the appropriate category.
>> 3.
>>
>> Fill in the form based on the changes you want to make to the
>> existing data.
>>
>> 4. Click Submit. Your submission is now waiting for review, and will
>> be visible in the table as 'awaiting review' after a few minutes.
>>
>>
>>
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>
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> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
> http://datalibre.ca/
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