[Open-data-census] transportation data (was Re: The 2013 Open Data Census submission and review is ready to go!)
Peter Hanecak
hanecak at opendata.sk
Mon Sep 30 18:11:44 BST 2013
Hello,
in Slovakia it is similar: transport is provided by cities, counties,
etc. - in sum: many organizations. "Thankfully" one non-profit has
arrangements with a lot of them thus:
a) they do provide data to said non-profit (which in turn is providing
quite good customer service) ...
b) ... but otherwise the data is not freely available in formats other
than PDF
Sincerely
Peter
On 09/25/2013 07:30 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
> Thank you Christian;
>
> I just went to take a look and I can see that you provided a new comment
> box, excellent, however, there was also a request for
>
> Yes No For *Some Jurisdictions* Unsure and to have a place for notes
> right there. For example, on the transportation question, sure you can
> get a paper schedule for most, but for us in Canada, as previously
> discussed, transit is not delivered by a central national authority, it
> is deliverly by cities and municipalities. If we decided to narrow
> things a bit, from 3500 cities, and decide to pick all cities over 100
> 000 people, then we would be down to about 37 cities, then we would have
> to assess at that level. For each of your questions. For the time
> being we would have to respond unsure for all, and write this big long
> note to you.
>
> In addition, Statistics Canada just sent Diane and I a note requesting
> that we up the score for Statistical Data, see the correspondence
> below. Again, the way the government is structured we can say yes to
> some, but must say no to others. For example, might be yes for some at
> the federal level, not all departments, but then when we get to
> provinces and territories, then the issue becomes very problematic.
> Think of Canada as you would the EU in terms of federated jurisdictions
> with different ways of doing things.
>
> I tried to participate in the WG remotely, but as you were aware, the
> wifi issue was problematic. I am not sure how we can work with this new
> version, as wonderful as it might be for those who have centralized
> national governments who do all of these things.
>
> How can I help improve this with you so that we can have a more nuanced
> picture of the results? I would be so happy to participate in a working
> groups of sorts.
>
> Sincerely
> Tracey
>
> StatCan correspondence below:
>
> Andrew;
>
> Some of Statistics Canada data are under that licence, most are
> not. For example, economic division, environment, health, crime and
> so on are not nor are population projections, death rates, birth
> rates and so on are not under that licence. If you wish to have
> cross tabs on the free data, that is at a very large cost, as that
> is considered a custom order, of if you want data aggregated to
> boundaries such as wards, neighbourhoods or health districts, that
> also is a very hight cost. In addition, our current government
> cancelled the census, as you know, the free data from the national
> household survey are considered unreliable and uneven and do not
> scale down to smaller geographies due to the methodology adapted.
> Statistics Canada made the census data free, real census data as
> they had recovered the costs from earlier sales, what they made free
> were these NHS which are of much less quality and ealier census data
> only.
>
> What is available via the portal is a small sample of what the
> statistical agency holds, and in fact, for real data practioners and
> users, we do not go to the portal as the search functionality is
> terrible. The system in place does not scale well. Most people
> still go to the statistics canada website as you have the data with
> the methodological guides, the surveys and so on, the information
> surrounding the data. In theory a centralized portal seems nice,
> but the reality is, in the case of Canada anyway, there is a
> distance created between the data producer and the user when the
> data are centralized in this way, which means you loose context and
> access to the specialists who can answer questions. Also, the
> geographic search for the data are lost in this centralized portal.
> So it is not the best way.
>
> Furthermore, that is only one agency, there is citizenship, hrsdc,
> industry, and so on who all produce statistical data as well as
> administrative data and their data are not in the portal as they
> should be nor are they available from their site. The ranking is
> not just for Statcan it is for statistical data in general.
>
> I think the score should remain the same, and in fact, if we
> actually had access to the inventory of datasets produced by the
> federal government, we may consider lowering this score even more,
> as only a small sample of actually produced federal data are in that
> portal. Finally, with the decimation of Library and Archives
> Canada, access to historical data are now impeded.
>
> Until which time that all data are open, I think this score has to stay.
>
> Thank you for bringing it up howerver.
> Sincerely
> Tracey
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:58 PM, <Andrew.Smith at statcan.gc.ca
> <mailto:Andrew.Smith at statcan.gc.ca>> wrote:
> Hello Diane, Tracey and Patricia,
>
> As you are listed as editors for Canada for the OKFN Open Data
> Census, we are contacting you regarding updates to the OKFN website.
>
> The National Statistics section for Canada in the G8 OKFN Open Data
> Census has a mark of 3/6. The reasoning for that mark is that
> Canadian national statistics are not openly licensed and free.
>
> This is outdated information, the data on the Statistics Canada
> website is free and openly licensed since 2012. The licence is
> available here:
> _http://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/reference/licence-eng_
>
> Also the data is freely available through the Open Data portal
> data.gc.ca <http://data.gc.ca> for all federal statistics and is
> also covered under the Open Government Licence found here:
> _http://data.gc.ca/eng/open-government-licence-canada_
>
>
> Would you contact or update the OKFN website to reflect these
> changes and increase the mark?
> _http://census.okfn.org/contribute/_
>
>
> Thank you,
> Andrew
>
>
> Andrew Smith
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Christian Villum
> <christian.villum at okfn.org <mailto:christian.villum at okfn.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Exciting news: The new Census submission and review system is ready
> to go!
>
>
> We now need your help with:
>
>
> *
>
> Everyone: Contributing new entries where information is missing
>
> *
>
> Editors: Reviewing submissions
>
>
> To start contributing and reviewing please visit this page which has
> detailed instructions (also inlined below):
>
>
> http://2013.census.okfn.org/contribute/
>
>
> Our target is to have done a first passof both new submissions and
> initial reviewing by Wednesday next week (October 2).
>
>
> If you have any questions or issues please let us know!
>
>
> - Christian & Ton
>
>
> ****
>
>
> INSTRUCTIONS
>
>
> Where it says “list below” refer to the list at
> http://2013.census.okfn.org/contribute/
>
>
> How do I submit new information?
> <http://staging.census.okfn.org/country/>
>
> Anyone can submit new information to the Census.
>
>
> 1.
>
> Select your country in the list below and click on it.
>
> 2.
>
> You are now on the Country overview page for that country
>
> 3.
>
> Click the blue “Submit Information” button on the right next to
> the appropriate category.
>
> 4.
>
> Fill the form based on the data set you have found (there are
> detailed instructions on the page).
>
> 5.
>
> Click Submit. Your submission is now waiting for review, and
> will be visible in the table as 'awaiting review' after a few
> minutes.
>
>
> How do I review submissions?
> <http://staging.census.okfn.org/country/>
>
> Only Census Country Editors can review submissions. If you’d like to
> become an editor, email the Census team on census at okfn.org
> <mailto:census at okfn.org>.
>
>
> 1.
>
> Select your country in the list below
>
> 2.
>
> On your Country overview page, see if there are any pending
> submissions (items with Review Nownext to them!)
>
> 1.
>
> If no pending submissions there is nothing to do! All done!
>
> 3.
>
> Click Review Nowon a pending submission
>
> 1.
>
> You will be prompted to log in if you are not logged in
>
> 2.
>
> To review, you need to sign up to become a Country Editor -
> do so by sending an email to the Census team on
> census at okfn.org <mailto:census at okfn.org>
>
> 4.
>
> You will be taken to the review page where there will be
> instructions
>
> 1.
>
> Remember you can edit the submission - and incorporate
> material from the current entry (if there is one). Comments
> can be particularly valuable, so consider merging old and
> new comments.
>
> 5.
>
> Publish or Reject
>
> 1.
>
> If submission is incorrect or lower quality than existing
> entry, click Reject.
>
> 2.
>
> If submission is better than existing entry click Publish.
> Note that if you choose to publish the submission you are
> reviewing, it will overwrite the old submission entirely!
> So think carefully whether you need to merge any content first.
>
> 3.
>
> Note that you might need to refresh the site to see the
> greyed-out queued entry you’ve just processed disappear.
>
>
> How do I propose a change to an existing entry?
> <http://staging.census.okfn.org/country/>
>
> 1.
>
> Go to the correct country by clicking it.
> <http://staging.census.okfn.org/country/>
>
> 2.
>
> On the Country overview page, click the blue “Submit
> Information” button on the right next to the appropriate category.
>
> 3.
>
> Fill in the form based on the changes you want to make to the
> existing data.
>
> 4. Click Submit. Your submission is now waiting for review, and
> will be visible in the table as 'awaiting review' after a few
> minutes.
>
>
>
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