[Open-data-census] transportation data (was Re: The 2013 Open Data Census submission and review is ready to go!)

Peter Hanecak hanecak at opendata.sk
Mon Sep 30 18:11:44 BST 2013


Hello,

in Slovakia it is similar: transport is provided by cities, counties,
etc. - in sum: many organizations. "Thankfully" one non-profit has
arrangements with a lot of them thus:

a) they do provide data to said non-profit (which in turn is providing
quite good customer service) ...

b) ... but otherwise the data is not freely available in formats other
than PDF


Sincerely

Peter



On 09/25/2013 07:30 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
> Thank you Christian;
> 
> I just went to take a look and I can see that you provided a new comment
> box, excellent, however, there was also a request for
> 
> Yes No For *Some Jurisdictions* Unsure and to have a place for notes
> right there.  For example, on the transportation question, sure you can
> get a paper schedule for most, but for us in Canada, as previously
> discussed, transit is not delivered by a central national authority, it
> is deliverly by cities and municipalities.  If we decided to narrow
> things a bit, from 3500 cities, and decide to pick all cities over 100
> 000 people, then we would be down to about 37 cities, then we would have
> to assess at that level.  For each of your questions.  For the time
> being we would have to respond unsure for all, and write this big long
> note to you.
> 
> In addition, Statistics Canada just sent Diane and I a note requesting
> that we up the score for Statistical Data, see the correspondence
> below.  Again, the way the government is structured we can say yes to
> some, but must say no to others.  For example, might be yes for some at
> the federal level, not all departments, but then when we get to
> provinces and territories, then the issue becomes very problematic. 
> Think of Canada as you would the EU in terms of federated jurisdictions
> with different ways of doing things.
> 
> I tried to participate in the WG remotely, but as you were aware, the
> wifi issue was problematic.  I am not sure how we can work with this new
> version, as wonderful as it might be for those who have centralized
> national governments who do all of these things.
> 
> How can I help improve this with you so that we can have a more nuanced
> picture of the results?  I would be so happy to participate in a working
> groups of sorts.
> 
> Sincerely
> Tracey
> 
> StatCan correspondence below:
> 
>     Andrew;
> 
>     Some of Statistics Canada data are under that licence, most are
>     not.  For example, economic division, environment, health, crime and
>     so on are not nor are population projections, death rates, birth
>     rates and so on are not under that licence. If you wish to have
>     cross tabs on the free data, that is at a very large cost, as that
>     is considered a custom order, of if you want data aggregated to
>     boundaries such as wards, neighbourhoods or health districts, that
>     also is a very hight cost.  In addition, our current government
>     cancelled the census, as you know, the free data from the national
>     household survey are considered unreliable and uneven and do not
>     scale down to smaller geographies due to the methodology adapted. 
>     Statistics Canada made the census data free, real census data as
>     they had recovered the costs from earlier sales, what they made free
>     were these NHS which are of much less quality and ealier census data
>     only.
> 
>     What is available via the portal is a small sample of what the
>     statistical agency holds, and in fact, for real data practioners and
>     users, we do not go to the portal as the search functionality is
>     terrible.  The system in place does not scale well.  Most people
>     still go to the statistics canada website as you have the data with
>     the methodological guides, the surveys and so on, the information
>     surrounding the data.  In theory a centralized portal seems nice,
>     but the reality is, in the case of Canada anyway, there is a
>     distance created between the data producer and the user when the
>     data are centralized in this way, which means you loose context and
>     access to the specialists who can answer questions.  Also, the
>     geographic search for the data are lost in this centralized portal. 
>     So it is not the best way.
> 
>     Furthermore, that is only one agency, there is citizenship, hrsdc,
>     industry, and so on who all produce statistical data as well as
>     administrative data and their data are not in the portal as they
>     should be nor are they available from their site.  The ranking is
>     not just for Statcan it is for statistical data in general.
> 
>     I think the score should remain the same, and in fact, if we
>     actually had access to the inventory of datasets produced by the
>     federal government, we may consider lowering this score even more,
>     as only a small sample of actually produced federal data are in that
>     portal.  Finally, with the decimation of Library and Archives
>     Canada, access to historical data are now impeded.
> 
>     Until which time that all data are open, I think this score has to stay.
> 
>     Thank you for bringing it up howerver.
>     Sincerely
>     Tracey
> 
> 
> 
>     On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:58 PM, <Andrew.Smith at statcan.gc.ca
>     <mailto:Andrew.Smith at statcan.gc.ca>> wrote:
>     Hello Diane, Tracey and Patricia,
>      
>     As you are listed as editors for Canada for the OKFN Open Data
>     Census, we are contacting you regarding updates to the OKFN website.
>      
>     The National Statistics section for Canada in the G8 OKFN Open Data
>     Census has a mark of 3/6. The reasoning for that mark is that
>     Canadian national statistics are not openly licensed and free.
>      
>     This is outdated information, the data on the Statistics Canada
>     website is free and openly licensed since 2012. The licence is
>     available here:
>     _http://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/reference/licence-eng_
>      
>     Also the data is freely available through the Open Data portal
>     data.gc.ca <http://data.gc.ca> for all federal statistics and is
>     also covered under the Open Government Licence found here:
>     _http://data.gc.ca/eng/open-government-licence-canada_
>      
>      
>     Would you contact or update the OKFN website to reflect these
>     changes and increase the mark?
>     _http://census.okfn.org/contribute/_
>      
>      
>     Thank you,
>     Andrew
>      
>      
>     Andrew Smith
>     Unit Head | Chef d’unité
>     Electronic Solutions | Solutions électroniques
>     Dissemination Division | Division du diffusion
>     R.H. Coats Building | Immeuble R.-H.-Coats / Floor | Étage 8 F
>     Statistics Canada | 100 Tunney's Pasture Driveway, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6
>     Statistique Canada | 100, promenade Tunney's Pasture, Ottawa ON K1A 0T6
>     _Andrew.Smith at statcan.gc.ca_ <mailto:Andrew.Smith at statcan.gc.ca>
>     Telephone | Téléphone 613-951-1152 <tel:613-951-1152>
>     Facsimile | Télécopieur 613-951-0632 <tel:613-951-0632>
>     Cellular | Cellulaire 613-897-4230 <tel:613-897-4230>
>     Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Christian Villum
> <christian.villum at okfn.org <mailto:christian.villum at okfn.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi All,
> 
>     Exciting news: The new Census submission and review system is ready
>     to go!
> 
> 
>     We now need your help with:
> 
> 
>       *
> 
>         Everyone: Contributing new entries where information is missing
> 
>       *
> 
>         Editors: Reviewing submissions
> 
> 
>     To start contributing and reviewing please visit this page which has
>     detailed instructions (also inlined below):
> 
> 
>     http://2013.census.okfn.org/contribute/
> 
> 
>     Our target is to have done a first passof both new submissions and
>     initial reviewing by Wednesday next week (October 2).
> 
> 
>     If you have any questions or issues please let us know!
> 
> 
>     - Christian & Ton
> 
> 
>     ****
> 
> 
>     INSTRUCTIONS
> 
> 
>     Where it says “list below” refer to the list at
>     http://2013.census.okfn.org/contribute/
> 
> 
>             How do I submit new information?
>             <http://staging.census.okfn.org/country/>
> 
>     Anyone can submit new information to the Census.
> 
> 
>      1.
> 
>         Select your country in the list below and click on it.
> 
>      2.
> 
>         You are now on the Country overview page for that country
> 
>      3.
> 
>         Click the blue “Submit Information” button on the right next to
>         the appropriate category.
> 
>      4.
> 
>         Fill the form based on the data set you have found (there are
>         detailed instructions on the page).
> 
>      5.
> 
>         Click Submit. Your submission is now waiting for review, and
>         will be visible in the table as 'awaiting review' after a few
>         minutes.
> 
> 
>             How do I review submissions?
>             <http://staging.census.okfn.org/country/>
> 
>     Only Census Country Editors can review submissions. If you’d like to
>     become an editor, email the Census team on census at okfn.org
>     <mailto:census at okfn.org>.
> 
> 
>      1.
> 
>         Select your country in the list below
> 
>      2.
> 
>         On your Country overview page, see if there are any pending
>         submissions (items with Review Nownext to them!)
> 
>          1.
> 
>             If no pending submissions there is nothing to do! All done!
> 
>      3.
> 
>         Click Review Nowon a pending submission
> 
>          1.
> 
>             You will be prompted to log in if you are not logged in
> 
>          2.
> 
>             To review, you need to sign up to become a Country Editor -
>             do so by sending an email to the Census team on
>             census at okfn.org <mailto:census at okfn.org>
> 
>      4.
> 
>         You will be taken to the review page where there will be
>         instructions
> 
>          1.
> 
>             Remember you can edit the submission - and incorporate
>             material from the current entry (if there is one). Comments
>             can be particularly valuable, so consider merging old and
>             new comments.
> 
>      5.
> 
>         Publish or Reject
> 
>          1.
> 
>             If submission is incorrect or lower quality than existing
>             entry, click Reject.
> 
>          2.
> 
>             If submission is better than existing entry click Publish.
>             Note that if you choose to publish the submission you are
>             reviewing, it will overwrite the old submission entirely!
>              So think carefully whether you need to merge any content first.
> 
>          3.
> 
>             Note that you might need to refresh the site to see the
>             greyed-out queued entry you’ve just processed disappear.
> 
> 
>             How do I propose a change to an existing entry?
>             <http://staging.census.okfn.org/country/>
> 
>      1.
> 
>         Go to the correct country by clicking it.
>         <http://staging.census.okfn.org/country/>
> 
>      2.
> 
>         On the Country overview page, click the blue “Submit
>         Information” button on the right next to the appropriate category.
> 
>      3.
> 
>         Fill in the form based on the changes you want to make to the
>         existing data.
> 
>         4. Click Submit. Your submission is now waiting for review, and
>         will be visible in the table as 'awaiting review' after a few
>         minutes.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> -- 
> Tracey P. Lauriault
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> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
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