[Open-education] [cc-openedu] CFP: Special Issue on Open Educational Practices

Thu Feb 7 10:37:13 UTC 2019

Hi Maha, 

I think we are on the same page here, I agree green OA versions can be less discoverable, but just to clarify as I said before there is no embargo period for uploading a preprint to an institutional repository, personal website, academic social network, wherever you wish. 

Best
Leo 

> On 6 Feb 2019, at 16:20, Maha Bali <bali at aucegypt.edu> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Javiera that offers a really good and concise summary on gold and green OA.
> 
> I'm just going to add a couple of points.
> 
> I am able to hold all the following views in parallel
> 
> A. I respect the editors of this CfP and their efforts to try to make this issue OA, because I believe in advocating for OA even where green OA exists especially when topic is open edu.
> 
> B. I usually use Sherpa Romeo (though of course publisher website also) to check the green OA policy of journals. While one can use green OA - researchers searching and seeking an OA version of an article don't always know where to look. Google scholar is good at finding these green OA versions of course so hopefully more people find them. However, they are easier to find if posted on institutional or subject repositories - and for many journals incl DE, there is an embargo period on those (the Author post-print version that is not the final publisher version): http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?issn=0158-7919&type=issn&la=en&fIDnum=|&mode=simple
> 
> I don't think I've misunderstood this particular case... but correct me if i am wrong. 
> 
> Maha 
> 
> Maha Bali, PhD
> Associate Professor of Practice, Center for Learning and Teaching, American University in Cairo 
> http://blog.mahabali.me
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019, 4:16 PM Javiera Atenas <javiera.atenas at idatosabiertos.org wrote:
>> Dear community 
>> 
>> Please see linked a beginners guide to Open Access, so we can avoid further confusion, and hence, have more informed discussions, as if you write a paper for this (or any other journal - book) you can always deposit your pre-print in your website or repository https://wonkhe.com/blogs/intro-to-open-access/ 
>> 
>> If anyone is still not very familiar with how open access works, we would be happy to share some more guidelines, so you can further become acquainted on how fellow open movements operate.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Javiera  
>> 
>>> On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 at 13:54, 'Maha Bali' via Open Education Platform <cc-openedu at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> Ah. I always thought the Author Manuscript also had an embargo period before it can be on an institutional Repository...
>>> 
>>> Maha Bali, PhD
>>> Associate Professor of Practice, Center for Learning and Teaching, American University in Cairo 
>>> http://blog.mahabali.me
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019, 3:49 PM Leo Havemann <leohavemann at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I think it is important to distinguish between Author's Original Manuscript (AOM), i.e, preprint, and Accepted Manuscript, ie Postprint (the difference between these versions is extremely subtle).
>>>> 
>>>> T&F advise:
>>>> Author’s Original Manuscript (AOM)
>>>> The AOM is your original manuscript (often called a “preprint”). You can share this as much as you like. If you do decide to post it anywhere, including on a scholarly collaboration network, we would recommend you use an amended version of the wording below to encourage usage and citation of your final, published article (the Version of Record).
>>>> 
>>>> These can be uploaded at at any time to any site.
>>>> 
>>>> Whereas some of their journals including DE have an embargo for 18 months for institutional and subject repositories for the AM version (but no embargo for putting this on personal website).
>>>> 
>>>> More info - https://authorservices.taylorandfrancis.com/sharing-your-work 
>>>> 
>>>> Still awaiting response regarding possible Gold OA/APC waiver question!
>>>> 
>>>> Best
>>>> 
>>>> Leo 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 at 13:39, Maha Bali <bali at aucegypt.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Leo (and Suzan and Aras) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would it be possible to lower the embargo period to 0 for green OA (I assume personal website has no embargo but institutional repository or things like ResearchGate has an embargo period).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or do you have hope they would offer it OA? My experience with LMT is that they usually don't agree to that...
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also wonder if you told the publisher about prominent people in OEP field preferring to publish open... if that would shift their perspective at all? Though they must already know this...
>>>>> 
>>>>> APCs completely unaffordable to me but a book I'm authoring a chapter in allowed me to make my chapter OA for no APCs. OA spaces that take APCs have given me waivers before (not LMT which is a T&F journal i think like DE).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maha
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maha Bali, PhD
>>>>> Associate Professor of Practice, Center for Learning and Teaching, American University in Cairo 
>>>>> http://blog.mahabali.me
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019, 2:31 PM Robert Schuwer <robert.schuwer at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Leo,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for your reply. I rercognize your struggle of on the one hand being eager on publishing OA and on the other hand the wonderful opportunity you have in editing this special issue. It made me realize that I have a bit of a luxury position on this. Having a few years left before my retirement, I have no obligations to publish to advance my career, and therefore can be selective in which journal to publish. This makes me feel kind of commenting from the side line on this issue. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have looked on the OA policy of this journal and maybe something can be done on this. Their APC for this journal is in the range of $2000-$3000 per article, depending on the region the lead author lives. I expect you as editors are not paid for this job, so maybe this APC can be lowered to a more realistic value (whatever that may be) for this special issue. Publishing research articles in a green OA version has an embargo period of 18 months (!) which seems also rather long for this special issue. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Robert Schuwer
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Op di 5 feb. 2019 om 19:57 schreef Leo Havemann <leohavemann at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks John for circulating the call for proposals, and Robert and Maha for your comments. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On behalf of my special issue co-editors Suzan Kozeoglu and Aras Bozkurt, as well as myself, I would just like to say we are delighted to have the opportunity to put together a special issue focused on OEP in the context of Open and Distance Learning, and consideration of critical perspectives. We believe that Distance Education is a great journal with a long history of publishing important work in this field and we are grateful to have this chance to define the topic for a special issue. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We are also aware that some people will feel they would rather publish in OA venues and we respect that. Of course we agree it would be excellent if scholarly publishing in general had resolved the economics of publishing in favour of fully funded, Gold OA without article processing charges (APCs), and if this journal was OA, but at the current time it is a hybrid journal (in other words it offers the option to make articles Gold OA via APCs, which clearly is not affordable to all scholars), and supports Green OA for all other articles (in other words, authors can make a pre-print available via an institutional repository or personal website with no embargo period, which can then be discovered via the use of google scholar or the unpaywall extension, for example). This is less ideal than instant Gold OA and for this reason we have asked the journal about the possibility of making this an OA issue, and we are hoping it will be possible. Whether this request is successful or not, this time, we feel that it is worthwhile making it and putting the issue on the radar of the editorial board. Over time we hope to see many journals flip to OA but the societies which run them need to develop alternative revenue models to make this happen. In the meantime we believe it is important to adopt Green OA practices to ensure papers are available to the widest possible audience.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>>> Leo Havemann
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Digital Education Advisor, UCL / Postgraduate Researcher, Open University
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 12:49, 'Maha Bali' via Open Education Platform <cc-openedu at googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, at the moment, I was told it would not be OA but I think they are trying.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It's really annoying that they even have to ask. It should be default: if you're having a special issue about open, the papers should be open.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Maha
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Maha Bali, PhD
>>>>>>>> Associate Professor of Practice, Center for Learning and Teaching, American University in Cairo 
>>>>>>>> http://blog.mahabali.me
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 2:15 PM Robert Schuwer <robert.schuwer at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The $1000 question is of course: will this issue be published Open Access?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Op ma 4 feb. 2019 12:34 schreef John Okewole <dbeloved at gmail.com:
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bea de los Arcos tweeted about this information piece which I found noteworthy to share in the community.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Distance Education the official journal of the Open and Distance Learning Association of Australia Inc. (ODLAA) calls for proposal in this Special Issue on Open Education Practices.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Read more about the call and the timelines here.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> With gratitude,
>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> OKEWOLE, John Taiwo
>>>>>>>>>> Yaba College of Technology
>>>>>>>>>> Lagos, Nigeria
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Mobile: +2348024600470
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> #Commonwealth Scholar
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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