[OpenGLAM] Fwd: So you want to reuse digital heritage content in a creative context? Good luck with that

Sun Oct 19 17:47:13 UTC 2014

Dear all,

I’m forwarding this useful conversation I had with Fabienne.

Best,

Maarten

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> Van: Fabienne Rousso-Lenoir <f-rl at bbox.fr>
> Onderwerp: Antw.: [OpenGLAM] So you want to reuse digital heritage content in a creative context? Good luck with that
> Datum: 19 oktober 2014 18:21:40 CEST
> Aan: Maarten Brinkerink <mbrinkerink at beeldengeluid.nl>
> 
> Dear Maarten
> 
> Thank you for your answer.
> No I didn't send my reply to the mailing list and I'm not sure I have it complete. Coudl you please send it ( I re-put below) and put me in Cc so I have it all ?
> Thanks a lot
> Fabienne
> 
>> Hello,
>> I'm just a filmaker specializing on archival footage, for which I'm also my own researcher, so I speak out of quite a long experience and fight.
>> I don't know if my answers can help, but I know very well all sorts of institutions keeping and curating film and photo archives, and concerning your point 4 and may be including point 5, I would like to add, that if I understand the costs of preserving this material, nevertheless the price of archives rights are often much too expensive and exceed the costs, overall for very old footage. If you take newsreels, for example, I do think that there are a common heritage of humanity and should be free of rights, following the policy of the American Nara. The same goes for looted material and saying so, I think of all the fiction films made and produced by persecuted German Jews which now belong to the Bundesfilmarchiv,  and sold even when the buyer is making a film about those persecutions (that stands for Russia as well and for the USA which are selling the films they looted from nazi Germany). That goes for many institutions and many persecutions. I think those types of archives should be assigned a common status that would make them available for reusing, charging only the cost of preservation and knowledge and not an imaginary copyright whose benefits obviously don't go to the authors or the persons seen on the footage, whose dramatic life has been filmed or who suffered horrible fate. 
>> I've been recently working on WWI and I do think the same about this centenary footage !
>> It's a question of ethics and society. 
>> Best Regards
>> Fabienne Rousso-Lenoir
> 
> 
> De : Maarten Brinkerink <mbrinkerink at beeldengeluid.nl>
> Date : dimanche 19 octobre 2014 17:13
> À : lala <f-rl at bbox.fr>
> Objet : Re: [OpenGLAM] So you want to reuse digital heritage content in a creative context? Good luck with that
> 
> Dear Fabienne,
> 
> Thanks for your email. You bring up very interesting points. My own institution - the Netherlands Institute for Sound and Vision - is indeed opening up its newsreel collection for reuse. You can find it here: www.openimages.eu
> 
> Did you also send you reply to the mailing list? Because I feel it really adds to the discussion!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Maarten
> 
> Op 19 okt. 2014, om 14:52 heeft Fabienne Rousso-Lenoir <f-rl at bbox.fr> het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I sent you this message a few days ago, but yet received no answer. I receive your mails because I joined Open Glam a few months ago, beeing very interested with its work and perspective and will probably particiâte to the GIFITUP project.
>> Was this mail cometely out of subject ?
>> 
>> Thanking you very much and looking forward to your answer,
>> Yours
>> Fabienne R.L.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I'm just a filmaker specializing on archival footage, for which I'm also my own researcher, so I speak out of quite a long experience and fight.
>> I don't know if my answers can help, but I know very well all sorts of institutions keeping and curating film and photo archives, and concerning your point 4 and may be including point 5, I would like to add, that if I understand the costs of preserving this material, nevertheless the price of archives rights are often much too expensive and exceed the costs, overall for very old footage. If you take newsreels, for example, I do think that there are a common heritage of humanity and should be free of rights, following the policy of the American Nara. The same goes for looted material and saying so, I think of all the fiction films made and produced by persecuted German Jews which now belong to the Bundesfilmarchiv,  and sold even when the buyer is making a film about those persecutions (that stands for Russia as well and for the USA which are selling the films they looted from nazi Germany). That goes for many institutions and many persecutions. I think those types of archives should be assigned a common status that would make them available for reusing, charging only the cost of preservation and knowledge and not an imaginary copyright whose benefits obviously don't go to the authors or the persons seen on the footage, whose dramatic life has been filmed or who suffered horrible fate. 
>> I've been recently working on WWI and I do think the same about this centenary footage !
>> It's a question of ethics and society. 
>> Best Regards
>> Fabienne Rousso-Lenoir
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> De : Maarten Brinkerink <mbrinkerink at beeldengeluid.nl>
>> Date : jeudi 16 octobre 2014 09:56
>> À : Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com>
>> Cc : "open-glam at lists.okfn.org" <open-glam at lists.okfn.org>excced
>> Objet : Re: [OpenGLAM] So you want to reuse digital heritage content in a creative context? Good luck with that
>> 
>> I’ve seen it being circulated and discussed all over the place and can really relate to the issues being put forth by Melissa. To me it reinforces the feeling that there still is a huge gap between institutions and ‚makers’ that needs to be bridged, before we can actually realize the mythical ‚creative reuse’ potential (although I do also strongly believe this potential exists). There are various aspects/issues attached to this in my view:
>> 
>> 1. FUD at institutions, not going all the way - within their limits - in releasing their highest quality objects under minimal restrictions (or none, if PD)
>> 2. Makers not understanding the limitations institutions have (copyright, funding, knowledge, etc)
>> 3. Makers being protective of their own works
>> 4. Institutions not understanding or respecting the requirements of makers that enable them to actually creatively reuse their collections (source files, useful retrieval methods, etc.) 
>> 5. Policy makers focussing on direct economic effects in the ‚creative industries’ rather than effects on society
>> 
>> Looking forward to the perspective of others on the list!
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Maarten 
>> 
>> Op 16 okt. 2014, om 03:30 heeft Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> And my apologies, that should be Melissa Terras. 
>>> 
>>> It's the end of the workday here for me and my brain is melting from grant writing and meetings.....my sincere apologies to Ms. Terras!
>>> 
>>> -Sarah
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> This was written a few days ago...though it might be of interest to some of you - Melissa Ternes from the London School of Economics discusses digital heritage reuse and the challenges...
>>>> 
>>>> http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/10/10/reuse-digital-heritage-content-in-a-creative-context/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Sarah Stierch
>>>> -----
>>>> Diverse and engaging consulting for your organization.
>>>> www.sarahstierch.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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