[open-government] Plans for http://opengovernmentdata.org/?

Thu Mar 24 17:04:00 UTC 2011

Dear Ton,

On 22.03.2011, at 14:01, Ton Zijlstra wrote:

> Daniel, all,
> 
> A calendar with OGD activities exists (see ourdata.eu front page) which Daniel has access to. We are also using this calendar for epsiplatform.eu
> As to examples of reuse, gov initiatives I am currently rebuilding ourdata.eu to automatically showcase my 400+ bookmark collection on that. 

www.ourdata.eu is a great service, part of it is this Google Calendar which is the best resource for OGD events in the Eu that I am aware of. I just have my doubt that a service like google Calendar, where you have to grant permissions every time to individual contributors really is the future for decentralised cooperative tracking of events. GriCal goes in the direction of an open service that might suite our needs better. http://grical.org/

> 
> It'd be good if we can find a way for both sites to augment each other.

Absolutely! This is part of the challenge: to join forces, augment each other and not re-invent the wheel.

> At ourdata.eu I for instance do not intend to explain what OGD is, what tools etc are available, just a site with examples of what is happening in Europe. So I can go to my gov, and you to yours saying 'why are we not doing what is already common in [[other country here]]?'
> Also ourdata.eu is not meant to list data sources etc. 

This is great but offers little flexibility of how do add / edit and display the information. Finally the information could and should be synchronised or synchronisable between differnd site that *do augment each other*. I am just unhappy with the way information can be added, edited and displayed.

> FYI, at epsiplatform.eu there will be a growing list of sources and especially people involved in OGD in various European countries, next to the current news and reports etc. So maybe it's good to see if and how all three sites can augment each other.

Agree. Lets try the best to coordinate this. So I would like to re-emphasise Jonathan's call

>> Anyone up for a virtual get together next week (e.g. Monday evening,
>> Tuesday or Wednesday) to have a go at getting this ship shape? ;-)

I am up for this and would propose next Monday, Mach 28th evening about 6pm CET or shall we poll via doodle?

Best Regards
Daniel

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> 
> Ton
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> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Daniel Dietrich <daniel.dietrich at okfn.org> wrote:
> Dear Jonathan, all,
> 
> I agree that this is of high priority and we can make some improvements very quickly. I can spend one day on it later this week.
> 
> On 21.03.2011, at 16:11, Jonathan Gray wrote:
> 
> > I would say that this is a high priority right now - so people have a
> > clearer landing page that:
> >
> >  *explains what open government data is and why it is interesting
> >  * links to the open government data bibliography [1] (an update on this soon)
> >  * links to opendatasearch.org
> >  * links to lists of catalogues/competitions etc (these need updating!)
> >  * map showing open government data initiatives around the world
> >  * list showing upcoming events (can we use an external service for
> > this and pull in via RSS?)
> >  * list showing open government data related news
> >  * pull in #opendata Twitter stream
> >  * etc
> 
> In addition to this we also need to think about the tool / technology. It is very clear that for the Open Government Data mapping project we want to collect information about
> 
> * OGD initiatives
> * OGD Events
> * OGD competitions
> * OGD catalogues
> 
> And we need this information accessible in different ways, such as:
> 
> * single item (url)
> * list of items
> * on a map (geo)
> * in a calendar (time)
> * syndicated (rss)
> 
> Please see http://wiki.okfn.org/wg/government/mapping for more details
> 
> Right now we use google docs google calendar and hand made KML files witch is very inefficient (apart from being using non open services like Google)
> 
> I am looking at http://grical.org/ its open source and python. We have allready been in contact with the developer Ivan Villanueva.
> 
> GriCal allows users to add "events" that can have different views like cal, list and map organised by user or by tags
> 
> I would like to explore how we tweak grical to use it a the tool for decentralised OGD mapping. The events, initiatives, organisations could - once added to grical be include as item, list, calendar or map using iframe or the like into the Wordpress installation.
> 
> What do people think?
> 
> Regards
> Daniel
> 
> >
> > Anyone up for having a bit of a hack session on this in next few weeks?
> 
> count me in
> 
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > [1] http://ideas.okfn.org/ideas/54/open-government-data-bibliography-project
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Daniel Dietrich
> > <daniel.dietrich at okfn.org> wrote:
> >> Hi Tim,
> >>
> >> Thanks for bringing this up again!
> >>
> >> On 19.03.2011, at 23:26, Tim McNamara wrote:
> >>
> >>> Are there any plans for http://opengovernmentdata.org/? I think the domain could be re-purposed from highlighting the events of last November to something more generic.
> >>
> >> Absolutely this has been the plan for quite a wile now, wee:
> >>
> >>        http://wiki.okfn.org/wg/government/mapping
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Some things we could include:
> >>>
> >>>  - links to and/org excerpts of academic paper & grey literature
> >>>  - case studies
> >>>  - contact people
> >>>  - introduction to some of the technical tools (cf opendatamanual.org)
> >>
> >> all of these are very good points and should definitely find its way to the wiki / website
> >>
> >> @Tim: would you bee happy to take an more active role in getting this done?
> >>
> >> I am also looking to free some of my time to focus more on this.
> >>
> >> Best greetings
> >> Daniel
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Tim McNamara
> >>> @timClicks
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