[open-government] open-government Digest, Vol 19, Issue 28
Ann Frisch
afrisch09 at gmail.com
Wed Sep 21 20:33:12 UTC 2011
I would like to get together with Open Data members from South Sudan,
Philippines and South Caucasus region to what is being done in those areas
in terms of open data. My organization, Nonviolent Peaceforce, provides
unarmed civilian peacekeeping in those areas...we work to deter and prevent
violence and to protect local civilians while they do the work of
peacebuilding. (We are nonpartisan in the armed conflicts). It seems a
logical partnership...our role would be that of protecting human rights
(open records) defenders.
Is there - of will there be in advance of the conference - a list of
participants? I'd like to make sure I meet up with the people that I want
to see.
Thanks, Ann Frisch
Nonviolent Peaceforce
http://www.nonviolentpeaceforce.org
afrisch at nonviolentpeaceforce.org
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> 1. Open Data and Locality (Julian Tait)
> 2. Re: Open Data and Locality (Ton Zijlstra)
> 3. Research project on the applicability of open data - UK/FIN
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> 4. Re: Open Data and Locality (Javier Ruiz Diaz)
> 5. Re: Open Data and Locality (M. Fioretti)
> 6. R: Re: Open Data and Locality (agatalotauro at libero.it)
> 7. Re: Share-alike (Jonathan Brun)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:19:04 +0100
> From: Julian Tait <julian at futureeverything.org>
> Subject: [open-government] Open Data and Locality
> To: Open Government <open-government at lists.okfn.org>
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> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone would be interested in a session/workshop at Open
> Government Data Camp looking at opportunities and challenges around local
> open data. This would be exploring how cities can create open data policies,
> what are the blockages and also how can open data be encouraged in smaller
> communities - ownership, participation etc.
>
> Cheers
>
> Julian
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:29:07 +0200
> From: Ton Zijlstra <ton.zijlstra at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [open-government] Open Data and Locality
> To: Julian Tait <julian at futureeverything.org>
> Cc: Open Government <open-government at lists.okfn.org>
> Message-ID:
> <CAMzFAZP0E36p3zRqH57mZavDSr-wB5r7TSPSg21Mg1R_8Z+vHA at mail.gmail.com
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> Hi Julian,
>
> I certainly would be up for that. From multiple perspectives. In fact I had
> already proposed a session on how local governments can see open data as
> policy instrument to reach their own goals / save money. (Using open data
> e.g. as the object of interaction with citizens. new ways of working need
> new instruments, ogd being one of them).
> I also proposed doing a talk on how to get things going locally. The latter
> could certainly be joint thing. The former as well, I think, although I'm
> not sure if you have worked on OGD from that angle much in Manchester.
>
>
> Looking forward to seeing you again.
>
> Ton
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Interdependent Thoughts
> Ton Zijlstra
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> ton at tonzijlstra.eu
> +31-6-34489360
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> http://zylstra.org/blog
> -------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Julian Tait <julian at futureeverything.org
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone would be interested in a session/workshop at
> Open
> > Government Data Camp looking at opportunities and challenges around local
> > open data. This would be exploring how cities can create open data
> policies,
> > what are the blockages and also how can open data be encouraged in
> smaller
> > communities - ownership, participation etc.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Julian
> > _______________________________________________
> > open-government mailing list
> > open-government at lists.okfn.org
> > http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-government
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> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:14:59 +0100
> From: Antti Halonen <antti.halonen at finnish-institute.org.uk>
> Subject: [open-government] Research project on the applicability of
> open data - UK/FIN
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> Dear all,
>
> The Finnish Institute in London (http://www.finnish-institute.org.uk) is
> launching a research project on the UK open data policies and more
> precisely on the applicability of open data. We aim to analyse how the
> existing policies and licensing support the applicability of data and
> also in which application areas the exploitation of data has proved to
> be most beneficial.
>
> At the moment we are creating a network of interviewees and other
> potential partners from the UK open data community. In terms of our
> research, we are particularly interested in how different constituents
> of the community (public sector organisations, politicians, hackers,
> journalists, academics etc etc) perceive the status quo: their
> experiences on problems and benefits and also expectations on which
> direction the discussion on open data and open data policies should be
> steered in the future.
>
> If any of you would be interested in being interviewed or collaborating
> in any other way, please don't hesitate to contact me at
> antti.halonen at finnish-institute.org.uk for more details.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antti Halonen
>
> --
> Antti Halonen
> Fellow
> The Finnish Institute in London
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:26:38 +0100
> From: Javier Ruiz Diaz <javier at openrightsgroup.org>
> Subject: Re: [open-government] Open Data and Locality
> To: Julian Tait <julian at futureeverything.org>
> Cc: Open Government <open-government at lists.okfn.org>, ogdcamp at okfn.org
> Message-ID: <018A61E9-3D9A-4045-ADE3-15B6DEE19021 at openrightsgroup.org>
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> Hi
>
> it seems that proposals are being circulated but it's not clear what
> happens next
>
> Is there a space such as google doc or etherpad anywhere with the draft
> proposals? right now is either shouting out in the lists or submitting a
> proposal via the form on the site without the possibility to find more
> people to join efforts.
>
> Javier
>
>
> On 21 Sep 2011, at 12:19, Julian Tait wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone would be interested in a session/workshop at
> Open Government Data Camp looking at opportunities and challenges around
> local open data. This would be exploring how cities can create open data
> policies, what are the blockages and also how can open data be encouraged in
> smaller communities - ownership, participation etc.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Julian
> > _______________________________________________
> > open-government mailing list
> > open-government at lists.okfn.org
> > http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-government
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:28:42 +0200
> From: "M. Fioretti" <mfioretti at nexaima.net>
> Subject: Re: [open-government] Open Data and Locality
> To: open-government at lists.okfn.org
> Message-ID: <20110921132842.GJ2864 at nexaima.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 12:19:04 PM +0100, Julian Tait wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone would be interested in a session/workshop at
> Open Government Data Camp looking at opportunities and challenges around
> local open data.
>
> I am. This is the very topic of my research:
>
> http://stop.zona-m.net/2011/09/part-2-of-the-open-data-open-society-report-is-now-available-online/
>
> Marco
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:19:45 +0200 (CEST)
> From: "agatalotauro at libero.it" <agatalotauro at libero.it>
> Subject: [open-government] R: Re: Open Data and Locality
> To: <mfioretti at nexaima.net>
> Cc: open-government at lists.okfn.org
> Message-ID:
> <29501059.3357491316618385052.JavaMail.defaultUser at defaultHost>
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> Sorry...
> just ... too busy at the moment (miur http://www.miur.it).
>
> Ad maiora
> agata
>
> >----Messaggio originale----
> >Da: mfioretti at nexaima.net
> >Data: 21-set-2011 15.28
> >A: <open-government at lists.okfn.org>
> >Ogg: Re: [open-government] Open Data and Locality
> >
> >On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 12:19:04 PM +0100, Julian Tait wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I was wondering if anyone would be interested in a session/workshop at
> Open
> Government Data Camp looking at opportunities and challenges around local
> open
> data.
> >
> >I am. This is the very topic of my research:
> >
> http://stop.zona-m.net/2011/09/part-2-of-the-open-data-open-society-report-is-
> now-available-online/
> >
> >Marco
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:49:48 -0400
> From: Jonathan Brun <jbrun at jonathanbrun.com>
> Subject: Re: [open-government] Share-alike
> To: Chris Taggart <countculture at gmail.com>
> Cc: Open Government <open-government at lists.okfn.org>, Brendan Morley
> <morb_au at commonmap.info>
> Message-ID: <6031E5DD-BFDC-4336-9038-165AE594BA2E at jonathanbrun.com>
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> Thanks for all the great feedback guys, this is helping us quite a bit.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jonathan
> MontrealOuvert.net
>
>
> On 2011-09-21, at 5:17 AM, Chris Taggart wrote:
>
> > Here's why I think the Share-Alike licence for core data published by
> public bodies is a bad idea. This opinion has refined over time (I
> originally had a learning towards SA), based on personal experience working
> with masses of public data under a variety of licences, and also trying to
> build pro-community businesses based on that.
> >
> > When you charge for the data, you are by definition restricting access to
> those who can afford to pay. Not only does this shut out the wider
> community, it also encourages monopolies and defends incumbents, whose by
> definition have a business model based on the charging regime. We've seen
> this happen in multiple areas, from postcodes to political data, and seen to
> that because these groups are seen as the key stakeholders any changes must
> be passed by them, in the process stifling innovation, atrophying business
> models, and disabling reuse of the data in non-core areas.
> >
> > It also acts to obscure the original purpose of collecting the data,
> which was usually either for scrutiny purposes, or for the more efficient
> running of society/the state.
> >
> > Share-Alike is in practice a tweak on this model, as it's almost always
> means Share-Alike for the community, non-Share-Alike for those who pay. I
> think this is potentially a good model for the wider community to adopt (in
> fact that's the model behind both OpenlyLocal and OpenCorporates -- it's
> also the licence adopted by OSM), as it encourages an ecosystem of
> like-minded organisations/people/companies, and provides a way of making
> them sustainable. However, I think it's a bad idea for core data produced by
> government, for both the reasons outlined previously and because it prevents
> such a community from forming.
> >
> > The analogy with open-source software is that programming languages and
> other core tools are generally MIT or similar, while the code written with
> those languages are frequently GPL. We would have far less innovation, and a
> far poorer ecosystem, if the languages were GPL.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > --
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > OpenCorporates :: The Open Database of the Corporate World
> http://opencorporates.com
> > OpenlyLocal :: Making Local Government More Transparent
> http://openlylocal.com
> > Blog: http://countculture.wordpress.com
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/CountCulture
> >
> >
> > On 17 September 2011 09:20, stef <stefan.marsiske at gmail.com> wrote:
> > the SA clause is good.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 09:44:37AM +1000, Brendan Morley wrote:
> > > It seems like your city wants to discriminate against the innovator
> > > / entrepreneurial class.
> >
> > i beg to disagree you can in fact be an innovator and honor the SA.
> >
> > > Share-Alike has the effect of the author still trying to reserve its
> > > rights against commercialisation of its data.
> >
> > nope, it only keeps the data free and prohibits the privatization of the
> > commons. which i'd say that's not innovation but robbery.
> >
> > > (After all, the
> > > author itself doesn't *have* to SA, only the downstream users!)
> >
> > so the one creating value should not have privileges?
> >
> > > Whereas non Share-Alike puts everyone on the same playing field for
> > > downstream value adding.
> >
> > being on the same playing field is good, no?
> >
> > > I'd be interested to know why SA was considered by the city in the
> > > first place. It seems like cargo cult thinking.
> >
> > pls refrain from insulting people creating values for the commons.
> >
> > > depends on liberally licensed works as contributions (i.e. CC By and
> > > public domain), but in turn it also allows full geodata
> > > roundtripping between government-crowd-commercial.
> >
> > how can you ensure roundripping back from commercial to crowd and gov
> without
> > an SA licence? or do you mean with roundtripping
> gov-crowd-corporatelockin?
> >
> > > Other references: http://www.ausgoal.gov.au/the-ausgoal-licence-suite-
> > > "Among those, the Creative Commons Attribution Licence (CC BY) [...]
> > > provides the greatest opportunities for re-use of information"
> >
> > i'd like to see the study that is the foundation for this statement.
> >
> > --
> > gpg: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/stef.gpg
> > gpg fp: F617 AC77 6E86 5830 08B8 BB96 E7A4 C6CF A84A 7140
> >
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