[open-government] [Open-Legislation] [OKFest-Coord] Parliamentary Monitoring

Fri May 18 10:48:59 UTC 2012

Hi Jogi

Great, I was just pointing out different options. In my opinion  the
current setting seems OK.Actually to have different initiatives under the
Open Democracy stream may well help to share a lot of similar concerns. As
stef mention it is very likely people will self organise and share as
happened in other OKFN events. I am joining the conversation in the places
you suggested.
Best wishes,

Fabrizio

On 18 May 2012 11:10, Antti Poikola <antti.poikola at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi Fabrizio,
>
> The announced Topic Streams [1] are all wide and include content from
> several narrower domains of interest. The idea is to at the same time let
> experts around the world meet and share thougts in their domain and also
> mix the people from different domains and this way find new food for
> thoughts.
>
> We would not like to introduce any more topic streams (at least not before
> the second open call for proposals end), so if the "Open Democracy and
> Citizen Movements" is OK as an umbrella for the Parliamentary Monitoring
> related content I suggest that the planning happens for now under that
> topic stream.
>
> Currently the Open Democracy Topic Stream -people have discussion group in
> Facebook [2] and a planning wiki [3]. Jussi Nissilä is the Topic Stream
> facilitator from the OKfestival Core Organizer -group.
>
> [1] http://okfestival.okfnpad.org/helsinki?
> [2] http://www.facebook.com/groups/opendemocracy.okfest<http://www.facebook.com/groups/opendemocracy.okfest/147425308716168/>
> [3] http://okfestival.okfnpad.org/democracy-stream
>
> It is also perfectly ok to just gather group of people and make Parliament
> Monitoring related submission(s) to second open call for proposals, these
> should be then targetted to the Open Democracy -stream. The Guest Programme
> Planners of the stream will then go trough the submissions and if approved
> put them in place into the OKfestival programme.
>
> -Jogi
> OKfestival core organizer team member (mostly responsible for
> Datajournalism and data visualization related stuff)
>
>
> On 18.5.2012 1:27, Fabrizio Scrollini wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>  Some of you might know me, but just in case Fabrizio from Uruguay,
> living in London for a while, doing a PhD on FOI.
>
>  There is a group of Uruguayans collaborating with others, on the
> Parliamentary monitoring stream and they will go to Paris (me as well) and
> to Helsinki (we are trying to sort out how)
>
>  In terms of streams I think if you have a big enough crowd to organise a
> Parliamentary Monitoring stream you should go ahead, as really good
>  outcomes could come up from there. The challenges of this stream IMHO is
> about convergence of technical standards on one side, as well as building
> up the right set of incentives to collaborate with other PMO that are
> already doing great stuff on the field
>
>  If not the umbrealla Open Democracy can also include other initiatives
> (like FOI alaveteli kind of initiatives) or electoral speech verification.
> This is also good,but different from just focusing on PMO.
> Best wishes,
> Fabrizio
>
>
> On 17 May 2012 22:33, Antti Poikola <antti.poikola at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Hi Benjamin and others,
>>
>> don't worry too much about the Topic Stream complexities. Basically it
>> means that each stream has bunch of people (Guest Programme Planners) doing
>> the actual planning for that topic and we have now the second call for
>> proposals where people (like you) may submit content -ideas for the streams
>> ( http://okfestival.org/call-for-proposals/ )
>>
>> From Finland it seems that possibly Juha Yrjölä or someone else from the
>> Kansanmuisti (Finnish Parliament Monitoring Organization) will be in Paris,
>> maybe you could try to find each other and suggest some kind of discussion
>> continuum between Paris and Helsinki.
>>
>> The Open Democracy and Civic Movements -topic stream people are having
>> discussion about this in their planning Facebook Group If you wish to
>> participate (someone needs to add you to the group)
>> http://www.facebook.com/groups/opendemocracy.okfest<http://www.facebook.com/groups/opendemocracy.okfest/147425308716168/>
>>
>> BR,
>> -Jogi
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17.5.2012 20:02, Benjamin Ooghe-Tabanou wrote:
>>
>>  Are there any people on the lists who already know that will participate
>> both Paris and Helsinki -events?
>>
>>  At least one person from Regards Citoyens (organising the conference
>> in Paris) should be in Helsinki as well, but as we precised in our
>> application, as we all are volunteers, we probably won't be able to be
>> there for the full week but only for 2 or 3 days.
>> I believe we are not the only ones in this situation, so I think the
>> stream thing (which I agree with Daniel sounds quite complex at the
>> moment) should be used to focus each event related to the stream
>> within only a couple days, so that people interested especially in one
>> or two particular streams can attend them without having to be there
>> the full week.
>>
>> Regarding organisation of this, I guess the regular
>> keynotes/presentations/workgroup sessions/hacksessions/discussiontime
>> should be good?
>> As an outcome of the previous PMO meeting with Tom and Andrew among
>> plenty others, and as we envision the Paris event, I believe that two
>> important issues should be discussed during this stream as a follow-up
>> : how to collaborate between common projects over the world, both on
>> the technical (like with PopIt from mySociety) and advocating (around
>> the current draft of the declaration for open parliaments) aspects.
>>
>> For french readers, we've just posted a blogpost on this here :http://www.regardscitoyens.org/mutualiser-les-efforts-pour-plus-de-transparence-dans-les-parlements-du-monde-entier/
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Benjamin for Regards Citoyens
>>
>>
>>  -Jogi
>>
>>
>> On 16.5.2012 23:28, Daniel Dietrich wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Lucy,
>>
>> there was a thread (WG lists CC'ed) about the idea to organize some
>> sessions around "open parliamentary / legislation data"[1]  as a
>> continuation of the debate that goes from PMO conference in DC[2] to the
>> upcoming Paris[3] conference.
>>
>> I think this is a great idea and we should try to make it happen. Maybe
>> people involved (Benjamin, Tom, Andrew and others) would help coordinating
>> this a bit?
>>
>> In regards to the streams: This has all become a bit complex. I understand
>> it all makes perfect sense from the org point of view, but - to be honest -
>> I don't care under which "stream" good things are happening - as long as
>> they are actually happening :)
>>
>> Lets push things fwd!
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> 1. we agreed that the term "parliamentary informatics" actually suites
>> better
>> 2. http://www.ndi.org/node/18544
>> 3. http://www.lafabriquedelaloi.fr/
>>
>> On 16 May 2012, at 19:46, Lucy Chambers wrote:
>>
>>
>>  There has just been a very good question raised in the Open Democracy
>> Facebook group:
>>
>> "Will this stream have a Parliamentary monitoring element?" - I just
>> quickly wanted to check whether any of the other streams (Government,
>> Legislation etc.) were considering an element like this?
>>
>> If so, please shout out - otherwise we shall progress with discussing
>> including it in the Open Democracy Stream!
>>
>> Lucy
>>
>> --
>> Lucy Chambers
>> Community Coordinator,
>> OpenSpending&  Data Journalism
>>
>> Open Knowledge Foundation
>> Skype: lucyfediachambers
>> Twitter: @lucyfedia
>>
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