[open-government] OK Fest: Open Data Updates from around the World

Sat Sep 15 13:54:18 UTC 2012

Hi.

Is there a way for those of us not physically at OKFest to make a 2min report? I'm part of a pan-African open data / data journalism programme that has been good progress seeding catalyst projects in Ghana, Kenya, South Africa, etc.

Cheers,
Justin

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>   1. Re: OK Fest: Open Data Updates from around the World on
>      Tuesday 18 September: (Fabrizio Scrollini)
>   2. Re: Is it too radical to demand everything? (Josh Tauberer)
>   3. Re: Is it too radical to demand everything? (Pia Waugh)
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> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 12:19:47 +0100
> From: Fabrizio Scrollini <fabrizio.scrollini at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [open-government] OK Fest: Open Data Updates from around
>    the World on Tuesday 18 September:
> To: Baden Appleyard <b.appleyard at ausgoal.gov.au>
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> Hi there,
> 
> I am working with the Uruguayan Open Data Board. Happy to do two
> minutes on the current situation
> Fabrizio Scrollini
> 
> On 14 September 2012 21:11, Baden Appleyard <b.appleyard at ausgoal.gov.au> wrote:
>> Happy to do 2 minutes on Australia Andrew
>> 
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>> On 15 September 2012 02:11, Andrew Stott <andrew.stott at dirdigeng.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> To kick off the OK Fest Open Government/Open Data stream on Tuesday 18
>>> September I?m moderating a session at 1130-1300 at which there will an
>>> opportunity for people to update their fellow attendees briefly about
>>> progress (or lack of it) in their country on Open Data and Open Government.
>>> We already have contributions from the UK, US, Netherland, Argentina and
>>> South America, Brasil, France and South Africa.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It would be really great to have some more volunteers to cover other
>>> countries ? particularly Spain, Portugal, Germany, Italy, Eastern Europe,
>>> Africa, Asia, Canada and Mexico.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What we are looking for is short and snappy contribution from the floor
>>> for about 2 or 3 minutes - and without slides please! Ideally you should
>>> give
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> * one or two positive things which have happened in the last year (since
>>> OGDCamp Warsaw) ? new developments, key data releases
>>> 
>>> * one or two things which are not so good and what is being done about
>>> them
>>> 
>>> * what you think the key challenge for the next year is.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To help focus, you might like to think in terms of what the five tweets
>>> about your country should be!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I hope that you will consider volunteering to do a short piece about your
>>> country.  If you are willing to do so please drop me an email on
>>> andrew.stott at dirdigeng.com or DM me on @dirdigeng
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Andrew Stott
>>> 
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> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:38:10 -0400
> From: Josh Tauberer <tauberer at govtrack.us>
> Subject: Re: [open-government] Is it too radical to demand everything?
> To: JOSEFSSON Erik <erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>
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> On 09/14/2012 10:48 PM, JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:
>> On 15/09/12 03:58, Josh Tauberer wrote:
>>>> the open data movement must demand from government and public sector 
>>>> to publish everything themselves
>>> 
>>> It's not too radical. If you add in basic caveats for security, 
>>> privacy, and intellectual property,
>> 
>> Which intellectual properties are you thinking of?
> 
> I was just using as wide a brush as possible so that I could get away 
> with saying "most open gov advocates" believed something.
> 
> But there are two to keep in mind. One is IP held by the private sector 
> on documents that happen to have gotten mixed up in government records. 
> The other is IP held by the government on its own records.
> 
> There's no particular consensus on what to do about either of those. For 
> instance, in the U.S., you're supposed to lose copyright protection if 
> your document makes it into actual law, but in other cases privately 
> held IP could be mixed in with government records. I think open gov 
> advocates tend to be OK with that line, but I'm not sure. Also in the 
> U.S. we take a hard line that no government records can be called open 
> if they have any intellectual property or license restrictions, but that 
> is not the case in most other places in the world where OKD/CC-style 
> licenses are accepted by the open government communities there.
> 
> - Josh Tauberer (@JoshData)
> 
> http://razor.occams.info
> 
> 
> On 09/14/2012 10:48 PM, JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:
>> On 15/09/12 03:58, Josh Tauberer wrote:
>>>> the open data movement must demand from government and public sector 
>>>> to publish everything themselves
>>> 
>>> It's not too radical. If you add in basic caveats for security, 
>>> privacy, and intellectual property,
>> 
>> Which intellectual properties are you thinking of?
>> 
>> Europeana finally came to the conclusion that its metadata has to be 
>> CC0 (as it also waives database rights).
>> 
>> The GPL is a software patent free zone.
>> 
>> So, which legit caveats are there?
>> 
>> Trademarks?
>> 
>> //Erik
>> 
>> 
>>> I think most open gov advocates would say, yes, in a perfect world, 
>>> government records should all be online. That sort of 
>>> across-the-board transparency is the root of the freedom of 
>>> information / right to know movement, which is right now pretty 
>>> healthy across the world. People do demand that, and constitutions 
>>> these days get written with that in mind. (Success!)
>>> 
>>> A good starting point is the external links section on 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_legislation.
>>> 
>>> At the same time, people specialize on particular types of government 
>>> records --- legislative, geospatial, financial, etc. We get into the 
>>> details on these because when it comes time to implementing open data 
>>> the details matter.
>>> 
>>> So, both are going on.
>>> 
>>> - Josh Tauberer (@JoshData)
>>> 
>>> http://razor.occams.info
>>> 
>>> On 09/14/2012 05:06 AM, Ivo Babaja wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Considering Rufus' post about great expectations, I think that the 
>>>> goal for open data should be more radical.
>>>> 
>>>> I think that, at least in some future perspective, the open data 
>>>> movement must demand from government and public sector to publish 
>>>> everything themselves.
>>>> 
>>>> To require that information should be published, to be considered 
>>>> official and legal.
>>>> 
>>>> And I mean ALL information. Why not e.g. publish financial 
>>>> transactions made from all government's accounts?
>>>> 
>>>> That should help fight corruption more than simple budget projections.
>>>> 
>>>> With this info, there is foundation for more meaningful, more 
>>>> to-the-point political discussion, whether it comes from media, 
>>>> political parties or NGOs.
>>>> 
>>>> And that is real contribution to democratic progress.
>>>> 
>>>> But open data can not be just about progress.
>>>> 
>>>> It must also be about people's right to know and control those that 
>>>> are conducting public duties.
>>>> 
>>>> My views in short here: http://www.publictopublic.org.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Ivo Babaja
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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> From: Pia Waugh <pia.waugh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [open-government] Is it too radical to demand everything?
> To: Josh Tauberer <tauberer at govtrack.us>
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> Hi all,
> 
> There are a few people in Australia experimenting with the idea that
> reports/content done for gov by external parties (contrators, private
> sector) be required to be CC-BY in the contract, which would likely lead to
> the private sector giving shorter more concise content and keeping the
> generic stuff they want to keep proprietary out of the reports that could
> be made public. Governments spend a lot of money on behalf of the public,
> and as the entity paying the bill, we should be able to require
> contractually that we get content we can republish in a lot of cases. This
> would also create greater value to the public sector as more reports would
> be sharable across government, and of course, sharable to the public. No
> reason why this couldn't apply to software too, and it'd be interesting to
> compare notes.
> 
> Of course, as Josh notes, there are more certainly an importantly a lot of
> privacy and other appropriate considerations. It is vital that government
> protects the privacy of its citizens, and get the balance right between
> publishing data, and privacy. For instance, with some sensitive data like
> health data, appropriate deidentification that goes beyond just removing
> names and addresses, but also turns ages into age categories and the like
> is really important.
> 
> Trade agreements and Internet "regulation" may be two examples where far
> greater public (and indeed global) transparency would be useful in ensuring
> the value of the Internet tto society is not degraded bit by bit over time
> (sorry, terrible pun there).
> 
> Anyway, looking forward to hearing more from other people.
> 
> Cheers,
> Pia
> 
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Josh Tauberer <tauberer at govtrack.us>wrote:
> 
>> On 09/14/2012 10:48 PM, JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:
>> 
>> On 15/09/12 03:58, Josh Tauberer wrote:
>> 
>> the open data movement must demand from government and public sector to
>> publish everything themselves
>> 
>> 
>> It's not too radical. If you add in basic caveats for security, privacy,
>> and intellectual property,
>> 
>> 
>> Which intellectual properties are you thinking of?
>> 
>> 
>> I was just using as wide a brush as possible so that I could get away with
>> saying "most open gov advocates" believed something.
>> 
>> But there are two to keep in mind. One is IP held by the private sector on
>> documents that happen to have gotten mixed up in government records. The
>> other is IP held by the government on its own records.
>> 
>> There's no particular consensus on what to do about either of those. For
>> instance, in the U.S., you're supposed to lose copyright protection if your
>> document makes it into actual law, but in other cases privately held IP
>> could be mixed in with government records. I think open gov advocates tend
>> to be OK with that line, but I'm not sure. Also in the U.S. we take a hard
>> line that no government records can be called open if they have any
>> intellectual property or license restrictions, but that is not the case in
>> most other places in the world where OKD/CC-style licenses are accepted by
>> the open government communities there.
>> 
>> 
>> - Josh Tauberer (@JoshData)
>> http://razor.occams.info
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/14/2012 10:48 PM, JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:
>> 
>> On 15/09/12 03:58, Josh Tauberer wrote:
>> 
>> the open data movement must demand from government and public sector to
>> publish everything themselves
>> 
>> 
>> It's not too radical. If you add in basic caveats for security, privacy,
>> and intellectual property,
>> 
>> 
>> Which intellectual properties are you thinking of?
>> 
>> Europeana finally came to the conclusion that its metadata has to be CC0
>> (as it also waives database rights).
>> 
>> The GPL is a software patent free zone.
>> 
>> So, which legit caveats are there?
>> 
>> Trademarks?
>> 
>> //Erik
>> 
>> 
>> I think most open gov advocates would say, yes, in a perfect world,
>> government records should all be online. That sort of across-the-board
>> transparency is the root of the freedom of information / right to know
>> movement, which is right now pretty healthy across the world. People do
>> demand that, and constitutions these days get written with that in mind.
>> (Success!)
>> 
>> A good starting point is the external links section on
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_legislation.
>> 
>> At the same time, people specialize on particular types of government
>> records --- legislative, geospatial, financial, etc. We get into the
>> details on these because when it comes time to implementing open data the
>> details matter.
>> 
>> So, both are going on.
>> 
>> - Josh Tauberer (@JoshData)
>> http://razor.occams.info
>> 
>> On 09/14/2012 05:06 AM, Ivo Babaja wrote:
>> 
>> Considering Rufus' post about great expectations, I think that the goal
>> for open data should be more radical.****
>> 
>> I think that, at least in some future perspective, the open data movement
>> must demand from government and public sector to publish everything
>> themselves.****
>> 
>> To require that information should be published, to be considered official
>> and legal.****
>> 
>> ** **
>> 
>> And I mean ALL information. Why not e.g. publish financial transactions
>> made from all government's accounts?****
>> 
>> That should help fight corruption more than simple budget projections.****
>> 
>> ** **
>> 
>> With this info, there is foundation for more meaningful, more to-the-point
>> political discussion, whether it comes from media, political parties or
>> NGOs. ****
>> 
>> And that is real contribution to democratic progress.****
>> 
>> ** **
>> 
>> But open data can not be just about progress. ****
>> 
>> It must also be about people's right to know and control those that are
>> conducting public duties.****
>> 
>> ** **
>> 
>> My views in short here: http://www.publictopublic.org.****
>> 
>> **
>> **
>> 
>> Kind regards,****
>> 
>> Ivo Babaja****
>> 
>> 
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>> open-government mailing listopen-government at lists.okfn.orghttp://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-government
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Erik Josefsson
>> Advisor on Internet Policies
>> Greens/EFA Group<http://www.greens-efa.eu/36-details/josefsson-erik-138.html>
>> GSM: *+32484082063*
>> BXL: PHS 04C075 TEL: +3222832667
>> SBG: WIC M03005 TEL: +33388173776
>> 
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