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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: [euopendata] Archive of tweets about	#opendata?
      (Karsten Gerloff)
   2. Re: AT4AM / Akoma Ntoso (Karsten Gerloff)
   3. Re: [EPHackathon] AT4AM / Akoma Ntoso (Friedrich Lindenberg)
   4. Re: EPHackathon] AT4AM / Akoma Ntoso (Juan Eduardo Hernandez)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:20:21 +0100
From: Karsten Gerloff <gerloff at fsfeurope.org>
To: open-government at lists.okfn.org
Subject: Re: [open-government] [euopendata] Archive of tweets about
	#opendata?
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On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 09:27:20PM +0100, Tobias Pfaff wrote:
> Some researchers have access to the full Twitter archive (e.g., at MIT
Media Lab
<http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/twitter-funds-mit-media-lab-program-1001> ).
> 
> Maybe that helps if you know someone who works there.

Try topsy.com, who I believe also have a full archive of tweets.
I'm just not sure how much they'll share with you without a pro account, and
in what form.

Best regards,
Karsten
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Free Software Foundation Europe   [ ][ ][ ]      [http://fsfe.org]
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 10:27:35 +0100
From: Karsten Gerloff <gerloff at fsfeurope.org>
To: open-government at lists.okfn.org
Subject: Re: [open-government] AT4AM / Akoma Ntoso
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Hi Eric,

[other lists removed from To: field]

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 01:07:52PM -0700, Eric Branson wrote:
> I also have a simple "cat"-like utility to output one-line-per-section 
> to the command-line, for use with grep, and a simple NLTK parser. My 
> most recent efforts have been on AKN-to-HTML conversions so I could 
> read the documents in a standardized fashion, so I look forward to 
> seeing more publicly available AKN parsing tools (preferably 
> web-based). It would also be nice to see documents marked up with some 
> vocabularies.

you could try checking with the European Parliament Free Software User Group
(EPFSUG) -- I'm sure that some of the people there work on similar things:

	epfsug at epfsug.eu

Best regards,
Karsten
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Free Software Foundation Europe   [ ][ ][ ]      [http://fsfe.org]
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:39:40 +0100
From: Friedrich Lindenberg <friedrich at pudo.org>
To: JOSEFSSON Erik <erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>
Cc: "ris at lists.okfn.org" <ris at lists.okfn.org>, Open Government
	<open-government at lists.okfn.org>, "public-opengov at w3.org"
	<public-opengov at w3.org>, "hackathon at list.tttp.eu"
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Subject: Re: [open-government] [EPHackathon] AT4AM / Akoma Ntoso
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Hi all,

in terms of cool AN tooling, I want to also point people at the amazing work
that my colleague Greg Kempe has been doing with South African bylaws (
http://openbylaws.org.za/). The frontend is cool, but what's awesome is the
backend tooling he's developed for turning plain text into AN XML. It comes
with a WYSIWYG editor for turning semi-structured docs into AN.

* Ruby gem for extraction: https://github.com/longhotsummer/slaw
* https://github.com/longhotsummer/openbylaws.org.za

Cheers,

- Friedrich

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:11 AM, JOSEFSSON Erik <
erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu> wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> Here's a demo video: http://vimeo.com/17598642
>
> I have showed how we table amendments to proposed legislation with 
> AT4AM remote (running in a citrix client) for students and at 
> conferences a couple of times. From that experience I think I can 
> safely say that people very quickly understand how the EU works when they
see what we do in the EP.
>
> The reverse is happening with colleagues in the EP when I now can show 
> that anyone can use AT4AM (running on external server) with any 
> document that you "open" in the AT4AM editor.
>
> Folks in the EP suddenly understand lots of things about what is 
> separating the Brussels Bubble from the people it governs*.
>
> That is at this stage just as important (which is why I ask for more 
> "homemade" AKN documents to show). There are a plethora of projects 
> that I think needs to be stopped or re-designed to be compliant with 
> Rule 115, e.g. most of the the visions of DG EXPO and DG IPOL:
>
>
> http://erikjosefsson.eu/sites/default/files/dg-ipol-and-dg-expo-priori
> ties-20140516.pdf
>
> I simply think folks in DG EXPO and DG IPOL need to read up:
>
> "Ensuring utmost transparency ? Free Software and Open Standards under 
> the Rules of Procedure of the European Parliament"
> http://www.ifosslr.org/ifosslr/article/view/105
>
> When they have done so, then we can have a discussion on how to get to 
> where we should be.
>
> It's not only about democracy and transparency, it's about where tax 
> payers money go too.
>
> Best regards.
>
> //Erik
>
>
> *) technically, that's answered in the second comment to the video above:
> "The application runs inside a secure intranet (managed switch 
> controlled, so no sniffing) with no outside access (protected by a 
> DMZ), and actual access is only possible from authenticated and known 
> clients, with full auditing in place."
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: James McKinney [james at opennorth.ca]
> Sent: Sunday 11 January 2015 03:07
> To: Andreas Kuckartz
> Cc: JOSEFSSON Erik; ris at lists.okfn.org; Open Government; 
> oparl-tech at lists.okfn.org; public-opengov at w3.org; 
> hackathon at list.tttp.eu
> Subject: Re: AT4AM / Akoma Ntoso
>
> I?m mostly aware of AN files for parliamentary debates, not for 
> bills/amendments/legislation.
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Andreas Kuckartz <A.Kuckartz at ping.de>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Erik,
> >
> > I will attempt to create some handcrafted Akoma Ntoso documents - 
> > but I am still reading the specifications.
> >
> > Maybe James is aware of interesting AN documents?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andreas
> > ---
> >
> > JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:
> >> Thanks Andreas!
> >>
> >> Would you or anybody else here be interested in making a "homemade"
> markup of a document that could be "opened" in AT4AM? (maybe an ISP 
> consumer contract?)
> >>
> >> Like this for example:
> >>
> >>
> http://ghajini.dfri.se:8080/at4am/editor.html?documentID=http://ping.d
> e/andreas/web/stuff/testing-at4am.xml
> >>
> >> And then it would be great to discuss how to "export" amendments to
> that text into a document that has the same 'look and feel' as the 
> amendment documents we use in the EP.
> >>
> >> You are welcome to subscribe to the at4am.eu list:
> >>
> >> https://at4am.eu/mailman/listinfo/at4am
> >>
> >> Best regards.
> >>
> >> //Erik
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: Andreas Kuckartz [a.kuckartz at ping.de]
> >> Sent: Tuesday 30 December 2014 17:16
> >> To: JOSEFSSON Erik; James McKinney
> >> Cc: ris at lists.okfn.org; Open Government; oparl-tech at lists.okfn.org;
> public-opengov at w3.org; hackathon at list.tttp.eu
> >> Subject: Re: [open-government] Multilingual thesaurus for 
> >> parliamentary
> data using SKOS
> >>
> >> Hi Erik,
> >>
> >> no, there should be no real overlap with the work by OASIS on 
> >> LegalDocML (aka Akoma Ntoso):
> >> https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=legaldo
> >> cml
> >>
> >> I think and hope that LegalDocML and the tiny thesaurus project are 
> >> orthogonal.
> >>
> >> It is *great* that the AT4AM demo and mailing list are online again!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Andreas
> >> ---
> >>
> >> JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:
> >>> Should be lots of overlap with what they do on legal concepts over
> here:
> >>>
> >>> "XML for parliamentary, legislative & judiciary documents"
> >>> http://www.akomantoso.org/
> >>>
> >>> I take the opportunity to share that the demo version of AT4AM is 
> >>> up
> again:
> >>>
> >>> http://ghajini.dfri.se:8080/at4am/editor.html?documentID=6
> >>>
> >>> as well as the list:
> >>>
> >>> https://at4am.eu/mailman/listinfo/at4am
> >>>
> >>> There is a video too:
> >>>
> >>> http://vimeo.com/17598642
> >>>
> >>> And a relevant budget line (Item 26 03 77 05):
> >>>
> >>> http://fsfe.org/news/2014/news-20141219-01.en.html
> >>>
> >>> Best regards.
> >>>
> >>> //Erik
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackathon mailing list
> Hackathon at list.tttp.eu
> http://list.tttp.eu/mailman/listinfo/hackathon
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 12:14:21 -0800
From: Juan Eduardo Hernandez <juan.eduardo at poderopedia.com>
To: Friedrich Lindenberg <friedrich at pudo.org>, JOSEFSSON Erik
	<erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu>
Cc: "ris at lists.okfn.org" <ris at lists.okfn.org>, Open Government
	<open-government at lists.okfn.org>, "public-opengov at w3.org"
	<public-opengov at w3.org>, "hackathon at list.tttp.eu"
	<hackathon at list.tttp.eu>, "oparl-tech at lists.okfn.org"
	<oparl-tech at lists.okfn.org>
Subject: Re: [open-government] EPHackathon] AT4AM / Akoma Ntoso
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Friedrich Lindenberg <friedrich at pudo.org> wrote:
Hi all,

in terms of cool AN tooling, I want to also point people at the amazing work
that my colleague Greg Kempe has been doing with South African bylaws (
http://openbylaws.org.za/). The frontend is cool, but what's awesome is the
backend tooling he's developed for turning plain text into AN XML. It comes
with a WYSIWYG editor for turning semi-structured docs into AN.

* Ruby gem for extraction: https://github.com/longhotsummer/slaw
* https://github.com/longhotsummer/openbylaws.org.za

Cheers,

- Friedrich

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:11 AM, JOSEFSSON Erik <
erik.josefsson at europarl.europa.eu> wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> Here's a demo video: http://vimeo.com/17598642
>
> I have showed how we table amendments to proposed legislation with 
> AT4AM remote (running in a citrix client) for students and at 
> conferences a couple of times. From that experience I think I can 
> safely say that people very quickly understand how the EU works when they
see what we do in the EP.
>
> The reverse is happening with colleagues in the EP when I now can show 
> that anyone can use AT4AM (running on external server) with any 
> document that you "open" in the AT4AM editor.
>
> Folks in the EP suddenly understand lots of things about what is 
> separating the Brussels Bubble from the people it governs*.
>
> That is at this stage just as important (which is why I ask for more 
> "homemade" AKN documents to show). There are a plethora of projects 
> that I think needs to be stopped or re-designed to be compliant with 
> Rule 115, e.g. most of the the visions of DG EXPO and DG IPOL:
>
>
> http://erikjosefsson.eu/sites/default/files/dg-ipol-and-dg-expo-priori
> ties-20140516.pdf
>
> I simply think folks in DG EXPO and DG IPOL need to read up:
>
> "Ensuring utmost transparency ? Free Software and Open Standards under 
> the Rules of Procedure of the European Parliament"
> http://www.ifosslr.org/ifosslr/article/view/105
>
> When they have done so, then we can have a discussion on how to get to 
> where we should be.
>
> It's not only about democracy and transparency, it's about where tax 
> payers money go too.
>
> Best regards.
>
> //Erik
>
>
> *) technically, that's answered in the second comment to the video above:
> "The application runs inside a secure intranet (managed switch 
> controlled, so no sniffing) with no outside access (protected by a 
> DMZ), and actual access is only possible from authenticated and known 
> clients, with full auditing in place."
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: James McKinney [james at opennorth.ca]
> Sent: Sunday 11 January 2015 03:07
> To: Andreas Kuckartz
> Cc: JOSEFSSON Erik; ris at lists.okfn.org; Open Government; 
> oparl-tech at lists.okfn.org; public-opengov at w3.org; 
> hackathon at list.tttp.eu
> Subject: Re: AT4AM / Akoma Ntoso
>
> I?m mostly aware of AN files for parliamentary debates, not for 
> bills/amendments/legislation.
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Andreas Kuckartz <A.Kuckartz at ping.de>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Erik,
> >
> > I will attempt to create some handcrafted Akoma Ntoso documents - 
> > but I am still reading the specifications.
> >
> > Maybe James is aware of interesting AN documents?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andreas
> > ---
> >
> > JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:
> >> Thanks Andreas!
> >>
> >> Would you or anybody else here be interested in making a "homemade"
> markup of a document that could be "opened" in AT4AM? (maybe an ISP 
> consumer contract?)
> >>
> >> Like this for example:
> >>
> >>
> http://ghajini.dfri.se:8080/at4am/editor.html?documentID=http://ping.d
> e/andreas/web/stuff/testing-at4am.xml
> >>
> >> And then it would be great to discuss how to "export" amendments to
> that text into a document that has the same 'look and feel' as the 
> amendment documents we use in the EP.
> >>
> >> You are welcome to subscribe to the at4am.eu list:
> >>
> >> https://at4am.eu/mailman/listinfo/at4am
> >>
> >> Best regards.
> >>
> >> //Erik
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: Andreas Kuckartz [a.kuckartz at ping.de]
> >> Sent: Tuesday 30 December 2014 17:16
> >> To: JOSEFSSON Erik; James McKinney
> >> Cc: ris at lists.okfn.org; Open Government; oparl-tech at lists.okfn.org;
> public-opengov at w3.org; hackathon at list.tttp.eu
> >> Subject: Re: [open-government] Multilingual thesaurus for 
> >> parliamentary
> data using SKOS
> >>
> >> Hi Erik,
> >>
> >> no, there should be no real overlap with the work by OASIS on 
> >> LegalDocML (aka Akoma Ntoso):
> >> https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=legaldo
> >> cml
> >>
> >> I think and hope that LegalDocML and the tiny thesaurus project are 
> >> orthogonal.
> >>
> >> It is *great* that the AT4AM demo and mailing list are online again!
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Andreas
> >> ---
> >>
> >> JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:
> >>> Should be lots of overlap with what they do on legal concepts over
> here:
> >>>
> >>> "XML for parliamentary, legislative & judiciary documents"
> >>> http://www.akomantoso.org/
> >>>
> >>> I take the opportunity to share that the demo version of AT4AM is 
> >>> up
> again:
> >>>
> >>> http://ghajini.dfri.se:8080/at4am/editor.html?documentID=6
> >>>
> >>> as well as the list:
> >>>
> >>> https://at4am.eu/mailman/listinfo/at4am
> >>>
> >>> There is a video too:
> >>>
> >>> http://vimeo.com/17598642
> >>>
> >>> And a relevant budget line (Item 26 03 77 05):
> >>>
> >>> http://fsfe.org/news/2014/news-20141219-01.en.html
> >>>
> >>> Best regards.
> >>>
> >>> //Erik
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hackathon mailing list
> Hackathon at list.tttp.eu
> http://list.tttp.eu/mailman/listinfo/hackathon
>
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