[open-government] AT4AM / Akoma Ntoso

Sun Jan 11 05:11:52 UTC 2015

Hi James,

Here's a demo video: http://vimeo.com/17598642

I have showed how we table amendments to proposed legislation with AT4AM remote (running in a citrix client) for students and at conferences a couple of times. From that experience I think I can safely say that people very quickly understand how the EU works when they see what we do in the EP. 

The reverse is happening with colleagues in the EP when I now can show that anyone can use AT4AM (running on external server) with any document that you "open" in the AT4AM editor.

Folks in the EP suddenly understand lots of things about what is separating the Brussels Bubble from the people it governs*.

That is at this stage just as important (which is why I ask for more "homemade" AKN documents to show). There are a plethora of projects that I think needs to be stopped or re-designed to be compliant with Rule 115, e.g. most of the the visions of DG EXPO and DG IPOL:

http://erikjosefsson.eu/sites/default/files/dg-ipol-and-dg-expo-priorities-20140516.pdf

I simply think folks in DG EXPO and DG IPOL need to read up:

"Ensuring utmost transparency ‒ Free Software and Open Standards under the Rules of Procedure of the European Parliament"
http://www.ifosslr.org/ifosslr/article/view/105

When they have done so, then we can have a discussion on how to get to where we should be.

It's not only about democracy and transparency, it's about where tax payers money go too.

Best regards.

//Erik

*) technically, that's answered in the second comment to the video above: "The application runs inside a secure intranet (managed switch controlled, so no sniffing) with no outside access (protected by a DMZ), and actual access is only possible from authenticated and known clients, with full auditing in place."

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From: James McKinney [james at opennorth.ca]
Sent: Sunday 11 January 2015 03:07
To: Andreas Kuckartz
Cc: JOSEFSSON Erik; ris at lists.okfn.org; Open Government; oparl-tech at lists.okfn.org; public-opengov at w3.org; hackathon at list.tttp.eu
Subject: Re: AT4AM / Akoma Ntoso

I’m mostly aware of AN files for parliamentary debates, not for bills/amendments/legislation.

> On Jan 10, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Andreas Kuckartz <A.Kuckartz at ping.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Erik,
>
> I will attempt to create some handcrafted Akoma Ntoso documents - but I
> am still reading the specifications.
>
> Maybe James is aware of interesting AN documents?
>
> Cheers,
> Andreas
> ---
>
> JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:
>> Thanks Andreas!
>>
>> Would you or anybody else here be interested in making a "homemade" markup of a document that could be "opened" in AT4AM? (maybe an ISP consumer contract?)
>>
>> Like this for example:
>>
>> http://ghajini.dfri.se:8080/at4am/editor.html?documentID=http://ping.de/andreas/web/stuff/testing-at4am.xml
>>
>> And then it would be great to discuss how to "export" amendments to that text into a document that has the same 'look and feel' as the amendment documents we use in the EP.
>>
>> You are welcome to subscribe to the at4am.eu list:
>>
>> https://at4am.eu/mailman/listinfo/at4am
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>> //Erik
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Andreas Kuckartz [a.kuckartz at ping.de]
>> Sent: Tuesday 30 December 2014 17:16
>> To: JOSEFSSON Erik; James McKinney
>> Cc: ris at lists.okfn.org; Open Government; oparl-tech at lists.okfn.org; public-opengov at w3.org; hackathon at list.tttp.eu
>> Subject: Re: [open-government] Multilingual thesaurus for parliamentary data using SKOS
>>
>> Hi Erik,
>>
>> no, there should be no real overlap with the work by OASIS on LegalDocML
>> (aka Akoma Ntoso):
>> https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=legaldocml
>>
>> I think and hope that LegalDocML and the tiny thesaurus project are
>> orthogonal.
>>
>> It is *great* that the AT4AM demo and mailing list are online again!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andreas
>> ---
>>
>> JOSEFSSON Erik wrote:
>>> Should be lots of overlap with what they do on legal concepts over here:
>>>
>>> "XML for parliamentary, legislative & judiciary documents"
>>> http://www.akomantoso.org/
>>>
>>> I take the opportunity to share that the demo version of AT4AM is up again:
>>>
>>> http://ghajini.dfri.se:8080/at4am/editor.html?documentID=6
>>>
>>> as well as the list:
>>>
>>> https://at4am.eu/mailman/listinfo/at4am
>>>
>>> There is a video too:
>>>
>>> http://vimeo.com/17598642
>>>
>>> And a relevant budget line (Item 26 03 77 05):
>>>
>>> http://fsfe.org/news/2014/news-20141219-01.en.html
>>>
>>> Best regards.
>>>
>>> //Erik