[open-humanities] Statement on Open Access from History Journaleditors

Tue Dec 11 13:14:14 UTC 2012

Under fair dealing. That's very limited and won't prevent people claiming you can't though.

The statement as a whole is a disaster. It needs public refutation and frankly censure from as many people and organizations as possible.

"Cliff, Peter" <Peter.Cliff at bl.uk> wrote:

>How far does non-derivative go? Can they be cited/quoted for example?
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>Pete
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>[mailto:open-humanities-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Sam Leon
>Sent: 11 December 2012 11:39
>To: A list for people interested in the use of open source tools and
>openaccess in humanities teaching and research
>Subject: Re: [open-humanities] Statement on Open Access from History
>Journaleditors
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>This is indeed disappointing.
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>A team of people at the Open Knowledge Foundation are currently
>drafting
>the Open Humanities Principles which I hope to circulate to this list
>and organise a call for in the new year. Hopefully that will be an
>opportunity to galvanise support for an alternative perspective.
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>All the best,
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>Sam
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>On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Andrea Zanni <aubreymcfato at gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>The plagiarism is a very odd critic, people don't get that a CC license
>protects their moral rights as well as (if not better) than copyright.
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>Another concept that is difficult to grasp is that scholars don't write
>for money, but for "reputation":
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>it is a completely different system, that should be managed as a
>commons.
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>They are just scared about the remote eventuality that someone will get
>rich selling their articles, 
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>when they in the first place cannot....
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>(I find this "proprietary mindset" very human and very sad)
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>Aubrey
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>On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:24 AM, John Levin <john at anterotesis.com>
>wrote:
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>Dear list,
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>The editors of a number of history journals have issued a statement on
>open access:
>http://www.history.ac.uk/news/2012-12-10/statement-position-relation-ope
>n-access
>It's very disappointing, and very odd as well. The kicker is the fourth
>point:
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>4. The licence that we will offer for publication in EITHER green OR
>gold will be a CCBY NC ND (creative commons non-commercial
>non-derivative) licence only; that is, it will not allow commercial
>reuse, or tweaking or reuse of parts of an article (text mining). The
>government has specified that 'gold' access is to be given on a CCBY
>licence, the most permissive form of creative commons licence that
>there
>is. This however means that commercial re-use, plagiarism, and
>republication of an author's work will be possible, subject to the
>author being 'credited' (but it is not clear in what way they would be
>credited). We believe that this is a serious infringement of
>intellectual property rights and we do not want our authors to have to
>sign away their rights in order to publish with us.
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>John
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