[open-science] Open Science Microformats/Pattern languages? was Re: Launch of the Panton Principles for Open Data in Science + Is It Open Data?

Thu Feb 25 14:53:59 UTC 2010

OK - I sent a comment about this problem to CC

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Mr. Puneet Kishor <punkish at eidesis.org>wrote:

>
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Jean-Claude Bradley wrote:
>
>  Puneet,
>> Until the issue gets resolved will putting this allow for automatic
>> discovery of CC0 licensed content?
>> <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/"
>> style="text-decoration:none;">
>>    <img src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/zero/1.0/88x31.png"
>> border="0" alt="CC0" />
>>  </a>
>>
>>
>
> I am skating on thin ice here, but my understanding is that it won't be
> enough. The 'rel' attribute indicates a relationship between your document
> and the linked-to document, declaring the linked document to be a "license."
> The other bits that you are omitting, actually allow extracting terms such
> as 'publisher' and 'title' from your declaration. Note that if one (a human
> being or a program) follows the a href, they land up at the CC0 waiver page
> where they can get an earful re. the CC0 waiver, but have no clue as to the
> entity that actually used that waiver.
>
> I have sent a query to CC, and I suggest you do so as well. Hopefully we
> will have this resolved rapidly. In the meantime, as I said, just put the
> whole bit inside HTML comments, with only the CC0 badge showing up and going
> through the validator.
>
>
>  On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Mr. Puneet Kishor <punkish at eidesis.org>
>> wrote:
>> Jean-Claude,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 6:26 AM, Jean-Claude Bradley wrote:
>>
>> Puneet
>> I tried to use the entire code generated by
>> http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero
>>
>> But it kept throwing an HTML error code:
>> The HTML you have entered is not valid HTML: No declaration for attribute
>> content of element span
>>
>> Yes, that is a problem, and not just because it is not valid HTML. It
>> doesn't seem to be valid XHTML+RDFa as well, as per the validator at
>> http://validator.w3.org/check
>>
>> Interestingly, W3C's recommended RDFa syntax at
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/ also doesn't seem to pass W3C's
>> validator.
>>
>> So, now what to do? First, let's inform CC that this is an issue. I am
>> sending them an email, but you should also send one to explain the problem
>> and add to the feedback.
>>
>> Second, perhaps the best option may be to put the entire CC0 code in
>> comments, and only put valid markup visible to the validator.
>>
>> Of course, you could just ignore the errors and proceed merrily, but that
>> is not right. I think our feedback should help CC fix this or at least
>> clarify what DOCTYPE we need to use in order to generate RDFa markup that
>> passes the validator 100%. This needs to be even more easy and clear.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the code:
>> <p xmlns:dct="http://purl.org/dc/terms/" xmlns:vcard="
>> http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0#">
>>  <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/"
>> style="text-decoration:none;">
>>   <img src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/zero/1.0/88x31.png" border="0"
>> alt="CC0" />
>>  </a>
>>  <br />
>>  To the extent possible under law, <a href="
>> http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com" rel="dct:publisher"><span
>> property="dct:title">Jean-Claude Bradley</span></a>
>>  has waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights to
>>  <span property="dct:title">ONS Challenge</span>.
>> This work is published from
>> <span about="http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com" property="vcard:Country"
>> datatype="dct:ISO3166" content="US">United States</span>.
>> </p>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Mr. Puneet Kishor <punkish at eidesis.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Jean-Claude Bradley wrote:
>>
>> We added this CC0 logo and license
>> <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/"
>> style="text-decoration:none;">
>>  <img src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/zero/1.0/88x31.png" border="0"
>> alt="CC0" />
>>  </a>
>>
>> to the nav bar on the ONSC wiki
>> http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com/
>>
>> and to the results of any solubility search:
>>
>> http://old.oru.edu/cccda/sl/solubility/allsolvents.php?solute=benzoic%2520acid
>>
>> Does this meet the requirements for machine readability of CC0 intent?
>>
>>
>> Jean-Claude,
>>
>> Seems like you didn't copy the entire code fragment from the CC0 chooser.
>> If you had, the above would have looked like so
>>
>> <p xmlns:dct="http://purl.org/dc/terms/" xmlns:vcard="
>> http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0#"> <a rel="license" href="
>> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/"
>> style="text-decoration:none;"> <img src="
>> http://i.creativecommons.org/l/zero/1.0/88x31.png" border="0" alt="CC0"
>> /> </a> <br /> To the extent possible under law, <a href="
>> http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com/" rel="dct:publisher"><span
>> property="dct:title">Jean-Claude</span></a> has waived all copyright and
>> related or neighboring rights to <span property="dct:title">ONS
>> Challenge</span>. </p>
>>
>> Note: I am using your name and your resource name only for illustration.
>>
>> The XML namespace declaration tells a parser that "the terms we are going
>> to use here are as per their meaning established by the Dublin Core
>> initiative." See
>> http://dublincore.org/documents/usageguide/elements.shtml
>>
>> This ensures that when you say poh-tah-toh and I say poh-tay-toh, we don't
>> call the whole thing off.
>>
>> Once the parser has established that we are talking DC-speak, which will
>> henceforth (for the scope of this session) be referred to by the alias
>> 'dct', it knows exactly what you mean by dct:publisher and dct:title, etc.
>>
>> Now, I understand that you may not want to pollute your lovely looking
>> navbar with all the text that will show up. No problem -- just put the stuff
>> you don't want humans to see as an html comment. A source code parser will
>> still be able to crack the meaning out, and your web page will still look
>> lovely. The point is, don't omit the code, as that is what adds the
>> machine-readable intelligence to the license waiver.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jean-Claude
>>
>>  ..
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