[open-science] Fwd: [okfn-discuss] "Open Access" publications under CC-NC licences

[Peter Murray-Rust]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Carl Boettiger <cboettig at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jenny, Peter, others,
>
> Thank you for sharing.  I've enjoyed and appreciated the links but admit
> that understanding the details can be confusing.
>
> So let me see if I got this right:
>
> Fiction: "Non-commerical license sounds great! It means no one can make a
> free lunch from my sweat."
>
Yes - and NC shows that I (the licensee or delegated peson) has their heart
in the right place.

> Fact: NC means the journal (by holding the copyright) retains the right to
> *sell* your work to pharmaceuticals, teachers, researchers interested in
> text-mining,  (rather than those groups having *free* use).
>
Depends who the copyright holder is. I suspect that some journals retain
copyright (we'll need to crowd source this study). If so you're basically
right. Others allow the author to keep copyright in which case your
statement would be something like:

Fact2: NC means the author (by holding the copyright) retains the right to *
sell* their work to pharmaceuticals, teachers, researchers interested in
text-mining,  (rather than those groups having *free* use). If these groups
wat to re-use the work they have to get specific written permission from
the author. Formally the journal is not involved. However it is likely that
this situation is not made clear on the pages of the journal and there may
be an impression that everything is normal copyright.


> -Carl
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Jenny Molloy <jenny.molloy at okfn.org>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk>
>> Date: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:56 PM
>> Subject: [okfn-discuss] "Open Access" publications under CC-NC licences
>> To: okfn-discuss at lists.okfn.org
>>
>>
>> There has been considerable recent discussion about CC-NC licences being
>> used for "Open Access" papers by scholarly publishers. I have written a few
>> blog posts (
>>
>>
>> http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2011/11/29/scientists-should-never-use-cc-nc-this-explains-why/
>>
>> http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2011/12/04/more-on-how-commercial-publishers-use-non-commercial-licensing-funders-are-you-really-getting-your-money%E2%80%99s-worth-many-are-not/
>> ,
>> http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2011/12/06/acceptance-of-cc-nc-has-sold-readers-and-authors-seriously-short/
>> ) and responded to comments. I have summarised this in
>>
>> http://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2011/12/07/%E2%80%9Copen-access%E2%80%9D-and-non-commercial-licences-summary/
>>
>> Ross Mounce has summarised this as:
>> *this mess has caused irreparable damage to the re-usability of the
>> literature
>> with which I completely agree. I think it's so serious that it should not
>> be discussed on my blog but brought here.
>>
>> It took me by surprise that authorPays "Open Access" seems to be almost
>> completely CC-NC. (The main open Access publishers such as PLoSONE and BMC
>> have complete OKD-compliance by using CC-BY). CC-NC places so many
>> restrictions on re-use that it is almost useless in science.
>>
>> I believe that the OKFN should take this issue very seriously and with
>> great urgency. We know that multi-author organizations which start using
>> CC-NC find it impossible to chnage later without approaching every author
>> and with scholpub this is out of the question, so the longer this goes on
>> the worse the problem.
>>
>> I believe that OKFN should put together a group which draws together
>> resource material which makes the case against NC and then promotoes this
>> case to publishers and funders. Any aproaches to funders or publishers
>> could be done through IsItOpenData.
>>
>>
>>
>> *
>> --
>> Peter Murray-Rust
>> Reader in Molecular Informatics
>> Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
>> University of Cambridge
>> CB2 1EW, UK
>> +44-1223-763069
>>
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Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
+44-1223-763069
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