[open-science] url suggestion for a CCZero-how-to/ copyleft Re: bad to better :-) Re: some jump Re: Should scientific text be put in the public domain rather than licensed with CC-BY?

Sun Jan 16 13:59:57 UTC 2011

If anybody is interested in working on the "centralised guide" idea, I've
ported the Panton Principles to scientific writing here:
http://typewith.me/p4bdOCBD18. Feedback etc very much desired!

Best,
Marius

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Cameron Neylon
<cameron.neylon at stfc.ac.uk>wrote:

>  I don’t think there is a problem with including a copyright statement as
> well as the CC0. The copyright is retained by the authors. It’s the fact
> that they hold rights that gives them the ability to apply a CC0 (or PDDL)
> waiver to *this specific copy *that they are releasing under those terms.
> So I can’t see a problem with
>
> © The authors. You are free to use any part of this article in any way
> without restrictions. The authors request that where you use the article or
> portions of the article that you cite it as follows:______
>
> This web version of the article is made available under a Creative Commons
> Zero Waiver. To the extent possible under law, ## authors## have waived all
> copyright and related or neighboring rights to ##title##. This work is
> published from: ##address of journal##
>
> As always IANAL, TINLA. Creative Commons did some work on “norm badges”
> with the idea that you could mark up what you were asking for in terms of
> citation, referencing, re-use etc, without making it a legal obligation but
> I’m not sure how far that work got in the end?
>
>
>
> On 15/01/2011 18:45, "Marius Kempe" <m.kempe at qmul.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> I'm not in any way legally-trained, only an interested scientist. However,
> the wording, and also a logo you can use to signify a work's public domain
> status, can be found by following the instructions at
> http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/; an example, with made-up
> metadata, can be found at
> http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/results?license-class=zero&name=asd&actor_href=asd&work_title=asd&work_jurisdiction=AE&confirm=confirm&understand=confirm&field1=continue&waiver-affirm=affirm.
> The CC0 faq explains the significane of the 'This work is published from
> ___' clause (see
> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CC0_FAQ#Why_do_some_works_indicate_the_jurisdiction_from_which_the_work_is_being_published.3F
> ).
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:14 PM,  <koltzenburg at w4w.net> wrote:
>
> *... more ideas for possible solutions inline
>
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 17:11:10 +0100, koltzenburg wrote*
> >
> > fine with me, Marius, and thank you very much for this opportunity, let
> us do some e-learning together :-)
> > some jump, me included
> >
> > so this sounds like a good idea to me:*
> >
> > *> I think this is a great example of the sort of information that the
> community should agree upon - with the aid of legal specialists - and make
> centrally available on a website. I know that the CC website has an
> excellent guide to using their tools, including CC0, but I think at the
> moment scientists will need a lot of hand-holding to use it - and rightly
> so, nobody gets into science with the expectation of having to thinking hard
> about the legal status of their work! A centralised guide for would-be open
> scientists could prevent situations like this from happening in the future,
> and easy life for everybody.
> >
> > > It seems to me that if even people who read this mailing list and fully
> believe in open science are getting the legal issues around using the public
> domain wrong, we shouldn't be surprised that "normal" scientists aren't
> using the public domain! Hence, I maintain, the need for a user-friendly,
> one-stop-shop website for opening your science.
> >
> > any idea for funding such an effort and whom to pay?
>
> *this might be a social network option (proprietary)
> http://www.quora.com/CCZero*
> *thanks to Egon Willighagen who added this topic
> *
> > > Consider the details of this particular situation: the CTT website has
> been changed to read:
> > > "© The Author. This article is provided under the following license as
> a waiver:
> > > Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal (CC0 1.0) Public Domain Dedication"
> > >
> > > CC recommends the following formula, which avoids some of the problems
> we have right now:
> > > "To the extent possible under law, ___ has waived all copyright and
> related or neighboring rights to ___. This work is published from: ___."
> > >
> > > see http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/ for more details.
> >
> > here you might be able to help yet again: where exactly did you find the
> recommendation you quote above?
>
> *while I am still interested in your answer, Marius, especially for the
> third part which I have not seem used so far
>
> it occurred to me that, in a journal and given our general article layout,
> we'd still need a place on an article's web page that signals "here you can
> read something about copyright"
> and that it would probably be easiest to find if there was an icon as
> expected
>
> what is your take, everyone,
> wouldn't it make sense to replace the c by the inverted c of copyleft - a
> change that will be barely noticed, maybe, but yet do the trick ;-)
>
> so we could write:
> *
>
> * The Author *has waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights
> to this article - to the extent possible under law. [plus maybe the third
> sentence the significance of which I have not yet understood for our journal
> context]
>
> *has anyone seen the copyleft symbol in unicode yet?*
> *(the one above I found here
> http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?40131-Copyleft-Symbol-in-Unicode
> * - but is too conspicuous, maybe, for my purposes)
> *
> btw, in LaTeX see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=466051  <
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=466051>
>
> next lesson, please :-)*
> *
> cheers,*
> *Claudia*
>
> > > Lastly, I hope it's clear that I fully applaud your efforts on this,
> Claudia, and I don't mean to criticize what you're doing - on the contrary,
> I think it's amazing news!
> >
> > feels like it is amazing, yes,
> >
> > looking forward to you next lesson, Marius :-)
> >
> > ... and of course we might take my jumps as step-by-step (from bad to
> better) examples elsewhere, too :-)
> >
> > cheers,
> > Claudia
> >
> > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:15 PM, <koltzenburg at w4w.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Marius,
> > > >
> > > > > The work can be copyrighted by the author or public domain, but not
> both. Also, CC0 is only partly a license; first and foremost it's a waiver,
> and it only uses licensing as a fall-back option.
> > > > >
> > > > > In general, these sorts of issues are the sorts of things people
> need to be educated about if the public domain is to become a normal venue
> for publishing science.
> > > >
> > > > ... so this already a good start - of education for all, I mean ;-)
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > Claudia
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:33 AM, <koltzenburg at w4w.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> > hi Peter, hi all,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > The major problem is author apathy. Most hand their rights over
> without thinking. They jump through absurd hoops to publish in the chosen
> brand. This is an additonal requirement that they will not understand and
> will not try to understand.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > well, l tried my best and here we go:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > CTT's first article in the Public Domain published today:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Gratwohl A.: Theoretical and practical issues of autologous versus
> allogeneic stem cell transplantation in multiple sclerosis,
> http://www.ctt-journal.com/2-6-en-gratwohl-2011jan14.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> > hooray,
> > > >> > CK
> > > >> > this time in my role as:
> > > >> > ~~~
> > > >> > C. Koltzenburg, Managing editor
> > > >> > Cellular Therapy and Transplantation, http://www.ctt-journal.com<
> http://www.ctt-journal.com/>
>  > > >> >
> > > >> > University Medical Center Hamburg-Eppendorf, Germany
> > > >> > Mobile: +4917649826236
> > > >> > <managingeditor at ctt-journal.com>
> > > >> > http://www.koltzenburg.net/aiki/CalenDar
> > > >> > ~~~
>
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