[open-science] The political and social impact of journals and the research they communicate

Sun Sep 9 20:27:19 UTC 2018

Thanks Sarita,

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 3:51 PM Sarita Albagli <sarita.albagli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Peter
> Very nice to hear from you!
>
> The scenario is much more complicated.
>

No surprise. OA is complex and messy and is huge business with huge
opportunities for enclosure

>
> Please note that the posts I´ve shared are rather critical about some
> current trends and issues  that are challenging and affecting scholarly
> communication which initiatives like Scielo should consider:
>
> - Hebe´s post calls for the relevance of broadening the scope and
> considering other formats alternative to the traditional article;
> - Leslie´s post highlights the risks that Scielo is running out of losing
> its independence by associating itself with the "facilities" of the
> services and infrastructures provided by Elsevier / Clarivate;
> - Cameron´s post criticizes the pressure for and the consequences of
> "internationalization" patterns that our ("Global South"...) journals and
> researchers are being compelled to adhere to.
>

Yes - I accept all this. I am very worried about any involvement with
Elsevier.  I am, as you know worried about the way that Northern values are
corrupting Brazil and other Latin American scientific endeavours. For me
SciELO has to be a focus point for smaller groups to rally round.

> All this linked to emerging business models and the new political economy
> of open access
>
> It would be great to also have a post produced by you on the positive
> social and political impacts of changing that hegemonic scientific journal
> mindset.
>

I'd like to do this. It won't be heavily researched. It's more my own
experience rather than a "theory of activism".

P.

Also be happy to skype. peter.murray.rust

P.

> Warm regards
> Sarita
>
>
> 2018-09-06 5:13 GMT-03:00 Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk>:
>
>> Thanks Sarita,
>> This is really welcome - sorry I can't attend. I am completely
>> disillusioned with branded journals whether open/closed profit/non_profit .
>> I have expressed my sickness in
>> https://www.slideshare.net/petermurrayrust/scientific-search-for-everyone
>> where I try to challenge the appalling APCs . It costs 10 USD to publish
>> a manuscript - arxiv, research.one, biorxiv, JMLR, - often the prices is 0
>> to authors and 0 to readers but there is a small cost.
>> But Springer charge 1900 and over 50% of that goes to shareholders and
>> corporate inefficiency / bloat / branding (see slides).
>>
>> I have been an admirer of SciELO and would be honoured to have published
>> in it. It should be the way forward.
>>
>> When the mess of scholarly publishing collapses, people will want a new
>> place to publish and surely it should include SciELO.
>>
>> We are now in the position to build our own infrastructure for publishing
>> in a modern manner. Many of the pieces are already there. Unpaywall
>> provides a critical mass of historic manuscripts, *rxiv provide the new,
>> and I's like to see SciELO there.
>>
>> In ContentMine we build the tools of liberation, and I have now created a
>> universal Open search engine which is zillions of times better than TR or
>> Clarivate because it does what scientists want, empowers the reader as well
>> as the author, and makes science discoverable. It's flexible - easily
>> localized and community-oriented.
>>
>> I would love to see it helping make SciELO better than the tired sick
>> Western publishers.
>>
>> Factual questions:
>> How many articles per year does SciELO publish?
>> What formats are they in ? (we can index PDF)
>> What languages? - can they all be represented by Unicode?
>>
>> P.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 11:50 PM Sarita Albagli <sarita.albagli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In September 2018, the SciELO Program will celebrate 20 years of
>>> operation and will organize the  SciELO 20 Years Conference
>>> <https://www.scielo20.org/en/>, with the purpose of discussing the
>>> alignment of SciELO journals and operations with open science emerging
>>> communication practices and values.   The Scielo Programme is a pioneer in
>>> the OA movement in Brazil and Latin America, notably in the indexing of
>>> national quality journals and in the publication of full texts of open
>>> and free access.
>>>
>>> I was invited to head a Panel on “The political and social impact of
>>> journals and the research they communicate
>>> <https://www.scielo20.org/en/panels/p4-1-1/#1521832077831-c8dae681-e2a4>
>>> ”,  as part of the preparatory discussions of the conference, for which
>>> the following contributions have already been made and published:
>>>
>>> CHAN, L. SciELO, Open Infrastructure and Independence [online]. SciELO
>>> in Perspective, 2018 [viewed 03 September 2018]. Available at:
>>> https://blog.scielo.org/en/2018/09/03/scielo-open-infrastructure-and-independence/
>>>
>>> NEYLON, C. The Local and the Global: Puncturing the myth of the
>>> “international” journal [online]. SciELO in Perspective, 2018 [viewed 03
>>> September 2018]. Available at:
>>> https://blog.scielo.org/en/2018/09/03/the-local-and-the-global-puncturing-the-myth-of-the-international-journal/
>>>
>>> VESSURI, H. Do the article and scientific journals have a future?
>>> [online]. SciELO in Perspective, 2018 [viewed 20 August 2018]. Available at:
>>>
>>> https://blog.scielo.org/en/2018/08/20/do-the-article-and-scientific-journals-have-a-future/
>>>
>>> Comments on the posts are welcome on the blog!
>>>
>>> Sarita Albagli
>>>
>>> Senior Researcher
>>> Brazilian Institute of Information in Science and Technology - IBICT
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Peter Murray-Rust
>> Reader Emeritus in Molecular Informatics
>> Unilever Centre, Dept. Of Chemistry
>> University of Cambridge
>> CB2 1EW, UK
>> +44-1223-763069
>>
>
>

-- 
Peter Murray-Rust
Reader Emeritus in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dept. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge
CB2 1EW, UK
+44-1223-763069
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