[open-science] Why are we leaving it to Google?

[Peter Kraker]

Hi Heather,

+1 to everything you said! But re3data.org is only a search for data repositories, not for the datasets themselves. So unfortunately, it‘s still a long way to go.

Best,
Peter

> On 11.09.2018, at 16:01, Heather Piwowar <heather at impactstory.org> wrote:
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> I have no problem that Google has a Dataset Search, or if they reuse open tools/code/etc to do it.  I do think there should be an open version as well, with open apis, open data, and open source so that people can build that search into other tools.
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> Just like I have no problem that Google Scholar exists.  But it didn't have an API, so when Unpaywall came out with an open API, *poof* so many organizations started using it to make the research infrastructure better, and OA more discoverable.  
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> It'll go that way with dataset search too, and Open Citations, and Open Altmetrics, and Open Indicators Built On Top of Citations and Altmetrics, and everything else.
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> To Naomi's point, maybe https://www.re3data.org/search is already that answer?  If so, yay, in my opinion then we didn't leave this one to Google :)
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> It's time to add "open infrastructure" to the opens that we call for, support, and build.
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> Heather
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>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:38 AM, Christoph Bruch <christoph.bruch at os.helmholtz.de> wrote:
>> Everybody who is advocating openness including commercial re-use should not complain if this re-use actually occurs.
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>> But of course there is a danger that Google’s search engine will sideline other discovery tools and thus become a gate keeper and we also should not oversee that Google can get a lot of insight from analysing the searches for data sets.
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>> The research community needs to enhance its ability to collectively fund key research infrastructure in order to avoid developments like this current one with its possible negative implications.
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>> Von: open-science [mailto:open-science-bounces at lists.okfn.org] Im Auftrag von Peter Murray-Rust
>> Gesendet: Montag, 10. September 2018 22:49
>> An: Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen) <j.bosman at uu.nl>
>> Cc: opencon-discussion-list at googlegroups.com; open-science <open-science at lists.okfn.org>
>> Betreff: Re: [open-science] Why are we leaving it to Google?
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>> I don't have a problem with Google indexing public datasets. I work with Crystallogrophy Open Database which has indexed 350K data sets. What I take exception to is the way that Big Corporations can buy privileged access to paywalled datasets and publications.
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>> I have a tool which will index science (chemistry, crystallography, phylogenetic trees etc.) much better than Google (which doesn't do these)  but I am not allowed to use it. So  Google and Clarivate are handed a monopoly on indexing the literature even though I can do it better. What is even worse is the way that some publishers (Elsevier) take public data (crystallography) and put it behind the accessWall of the Cambridge Crystallographic Data Centre. Authors think they are making there data Open, They are not, It's being monopolised by CCDC who sells it by subscription and lets 1% or less out to the rest of the world.
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>> I am sure there are many more of these cartels and monopolies.
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>> I am happy to hear from others who want to build an alternative search engine to closed monopolists of the scholarly literature because we can do it better.
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>> Peter Murray-Rust
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