[Openglam_members] Finnish Wartime Archive licensing

Thu May 2 15:05:17 UTC 2013

Happy to lead this as the blog editor.
Next week I will be in Germany and then on a brief holiday, but from the
13th I'm happy to work on this.

Cheers,

Joris

2013/5/2 Maarten Brinkerink <mbrinkerink at beeldengeluid.nl>

> indeed sounds like a great idea for a blog post. i don't' have sufficient
> time to lead the work. but would be happy to provide input, suggestions and
> feedback!
>
> /mb
>
> Op 2 mei 2013, om 13:58 heeft Joris Pekel <joris.pekel at okfn.org> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> About open data more general: Concerns about opening up data, and
> responses which have proved effective
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/a/okfn.org/document/d/1nDtHpnIDTY_G32EMJniXaOGBufjHCCk4VC9WGOf7jK4/edit
>
>
> 2013/5/2 Sam Leon <sam.leon at okfn.org>
>
>> Excellent riposte Maarten!
>>
>> I wonder whether we should do a blog post on "myths" around open
>> licensing for GLAMs which would include the idea that it makes works more
>> likely to be used in nasty political contexts...
>>
>> Is there something like that already?
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>> On 2 May 2013 12:54, Maarten Brinkerink <mbrinkerink at beeldengeluid.nl>wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe also mention that - at least this is the case in NL - that acts of
>>> discrimination, racism etc. are illegal, regardless of copyright statements
>>> and terms of use.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Maarten
>>>
>>> Op 2 mei 2013, om 13:50 heeft Marttila Sanna-Maria <
>>> sanna.marttila at aalto.fi> het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hey,
>>>
>>>  Maarten, you are right! I just wrote to them a long email :-) and made
>>> a reference to Wikipedia and some other organizations using or will be
>>> using CC license in Finland. (I don't know if I have mentioned this before,
>>> but I have been participating a working group by the Ministry of Finance
>>> that is deciding upon the license for public sector information in Finland.
>>> Two things I have been advocating: 1) culture sector's information should
>>> be seen also as PSI, and 2) the government and the various municipalities
>>> should use CC0 instead of CC-BY. I guess the first one is going through
>>> more or less, because I just heard that Finna (
>>> https://www.finna.fi/?lng=en-gb) will also go for CC0 with their
>>> metadata. This is *not* public yet! This does not sound that impressive
>>> because Europeana, but has in need required a lot of legwork :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>  Adam, when entering the service one needs to agree the terms of use:
>>>
>>>  "The downloadable photographs from the Wartime Photograph Archive can
>>> be used by anyone. When you publish a photograph from the archive, mention
>>> "SA-kuva" as the source. You may not use the photographs to mislead people.
>>> You may not use the photographs for unlawful or inappropriate purposes."
>>>
>>>  (actually the text in Finnish is a bit different, it refers to
>>> offensive use).
>>>
>>>  I guess what they mean by "inappropriate purposes" falls under moral
>>> issues, and I guess with this sentence they want to show respect to the
>>> people who were in the war and their families. However I do agree with you,
>>> people who would use these pictures in condescending way do not care about
>>> the license.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I really hope that we would be able to make them use the CC license!
>>>
>>>
>>>  best,
>>>
>>>  Sanna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2.5.2013, at 14.12, Adam Green <adam.green at okfn.org>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> These are great! Do you have any more info about what such inappropriate
>>> usage might be? I'm struggling to imagine. I expect that anyone wanting to
>>> any really inappropriate stuff with them maybe wouldn't care about obeying
>>> licensing restrictions so much anyway, but I may be wrong.
>>>
>>> On 2 May 2013 11:53, Maarten Brinkerink <mbrinkerink at beeldengeluid.nl
>>> > wrote:
>>> Think I wouldn't hurt to at least point them to the fact that this makes
>>> them incompatible with other open knowledge initiatives like for instance
>>> Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Maarten
>>>
>>> Op 2 mei 2013, om 12:39 heeft Marttila Sanna-Maria <
>>> sanna.marttila at aalto.fi> het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Hey Joris, all
>>> >
>>> > It is a wonderful collection of photos isn't it. It has been so
>>> popular that the servers were down for many days. This was actually the
>>> collection that i was referring to, that they have "home-made"
>>> license information, they allow free and open use and re-use, but want to
>>> restrict the use in "inappropriate" (what ever that means). Me and Petri
>>> Kola (probably you met in Helsinki during the OKFestival) are planning
>>> workshops with users and developers to link these pictures with Finnish
>>> army's records etc.
>>> >
>>> > However that you reminded me!
>>> >
>>> > all the best,
>>> >
>>> > Sanna
>>> >
>>> > On 1.5.2013, at 22.22, Joris Pekel <joris.pekel at okfn.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi all, and particularly Sanna,
>>> >>
>>> >> I was just looking at this great collection of World War II photos
>>> from Finland. Really nice footage. The licensing here is again a bit weird,
>>> it basically says it is a CC-BY-SA license, although it is not mentioned.
>>> Sanna, might be worth getting in touch with explaining a bit and mention
>>> the fact that using the CC license will make a much stronger legal case?
>>> >>
>>> >> http://sa-kuva.fi/neo?tem=webneoeng
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers!
>>> >>
>>> >> Joris
>>> >>
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