[openspending-dev] Modularisation

Tue Mar 12 21:56:16 UTC 2013

Hi Lucy,

Would love to see the "list of questions that it is possible to answer with
Spending Data". This could be really helpful for communicating the
usefulness of OS at the local level.

Thanks,

Adam

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Lucy Chambers <lucy.chambers at okfn.org>wrote:

> Hi guys, My 2cts here:
>
> We're not going to put effort into supporting deployments over the other
> important work that we need to get done. Our priority at OpenSpending has
> always been that a core database is the most powerful thing that
> OpenSpending has to offer, we'd like to encourage people to put their data
> into the main database. At the same time - people want something that looks
> like they want it to, that they can customize etc, that is why satellite
> sites are important.
>
> Lisa and I sat down last week and drew up a list of questions that it is
> possible to answer with Spending Data. The answers to these questions are
> cool, but there aren't that many questions, so if we can expose a nice UI
> to make them easier to answer, I think that is a huge win.
>
> My belief (I am informed) that all of these are possible to answer with
> the infrastructure that we have using the API - if we get to a stage where
> we are needing to do cross-dataset analysis beyond the basic search
> function (e.g. 25k and £500 spend) then we may need to reconsider, but I
> need someone to come to me first with a concrete question that they would
> like to try and answer and I'll be very willing to listen!
>
> To be clear, I think OpenSpending's priorities right now are:
>
> * Getting Spending Stories features shipped
> * Getting a clear UX to reflect our priority that satellite sites are the
> way to go
> * Making the satellite sites as easy to create as possible - push and
> encourage deployments of those. Building out the toolkit for these.
>
> When Spending Stories is over in November. We can sit down and take
> another look at this, I recognise that there are definitely plusses in this
> model, but from what I understand, this refactor could take 2-3 months, and
> I'm not sure we have that much time now!
>
> Brutal and honest,
>
> Lucy
>
>
> On 11 March 2013 10:26, Tryggvi Björgvinsson <
> tryggvi.bjorgvinsson at okfn.org> wrote:
>
>> Þann sun 10.mar 2013 20:42, skrifaði Friedrich Lindenberg:
>> > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Martin Keegan <martin.keegan at okfn.org
>> >wrote:
>> >> The value of specialisation, and the interchangeability of parts, has
>> >> > been understood since the writing of Adam Smith in the 18th century.
>> >> >
>> > I think we need to build on this link! Let's have a panel session with
>> > Margaret Thatcher and Wolfgang Schäuble to discuss the applicability of
>> the
>> > CAP theorem to the European single market!
>>
>> Now that's not fair. Martin claimed that the understanding of this value
>> has been understood since then and you respond with something like this.
>>
>> If you want something more relevant and recent I propose you look into
>> the works of David Parnas, Alan Kay and Larry Constantine (to name a
>> few). I wouldn't say their findings are detrimental to software
>> development. I'd actually say that their findings improved software
>> development.
>>
>> > All I'm saying is: are we doing this because we actually have some
>> concrete
>> > architectural issue that gets solved or because it turns on our inner
>> geek?
>>
>> From my perspective the reason I want to look into this is because we
>> have to maintain the code base.
>>
>> I understand that you don't want the software to have a good design
>> because then we focus too much on design instead of doing. There is
>> nobody proposing that we should halt all development until we've
>> redesigned everything. I want to look into this as a long-term goal for
>> the project, where developers keep an eye out for what can be made more
>> modular.
>>
>> I would actually like to hear more from the community, especially those
>> who actively develop (or want to help develop) OpenSpending.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> /Tryggvi
>>
>>
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