[wdmmg-discuss] wdmmg-discuss Digest, Vol 10, Issue 16

Paul Bradshaw paulonhismobile at gmail.com
Mon Oct 18 12:12:42 UTC 2010 

I'll be trying to do some data journalism on Weds & Thurs around the
spending review and Birmingham in particular - happy to swap notes.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:43 AM, <wdmmg-discuss-request at lists.okfn.org>wrote:

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>   1. Cuts website live (Richard Pope)
>   2. Re: Cuts website live (Lisa Evans)
>   3. Re: Cuts website live (Rufus Pollock)
>   4. Re: Cuts website live (Richard Pope)
>   5. Re: Cuts website live (Richard Pope)
>   6. Re: Cuts website live (Rufus Pollock)
>   7. Re: Cuts website live (Kathryn.Corrick)
>   8. Re: Cuts website live (Richard Pope)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:19:30 +0100
> From: Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk>
> Subject: [wdmmg-discuss] Cuts website live
> To: "Where does my money go?" <wdmmg-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
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> I have the Advantage West Midlands and Arts Council data loaded, still
> working on Schools cuts:
>
> http://wherearethecuts.org/
>
> Thoughts / suggestions?
>
> Richard
>
> --
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 23:30:53 +0100 (BST)
> From: Lisa Evans <lisa.evans at okfn.org>
> Subject: Re: [wdmmg-discuss] Cuts website live
> To: Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk>
> Cc: Where does my money go? <wdmmg-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1010172312280.13715 at hex.dart.local>
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>
> This is excellent, very engaging and neat to explore.
>
> In addition to reporting a cut, what other ways would you like people to
> make more sense of the reported cuts?
>
> For example this cut http://wherearethecuts.org/reports/view/2234, there
> is no amount given, so are people here encouraged to read the source and
> add comments on how much is cut?
>
>
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Richard Pope wrote:
>
> > I have the Advantage West Midlands and Arts Council data loaded, still
> > working on Schools cuts:
> >
> > http://wherearethecuts.org/
> >
> > Thoughts / suggestions?
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:49:46 +0100
> From: Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
> Subject: Re: [wdmmg-discuss] Cuts website live
> To: richard at memespring.co.uk
> Cc: Where does my money go? <wdmmg-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <AANLkTik95sm7VMQAZn=AsAtPfN8LsHNz63EnLhnPVUXs at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On 17 October 2010 22:19, Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk> wrote:
> > I have the Advantage West Midlands and Arts Council data loaded, still
> > working on Schools cuts:
> >
> > http://wherearethecuts.org/
> >
> > Thoughts / suggestions?
>
> First off: this is great! Brilliant idea to re-purpose Ushashidi.
> Really, really good. Some thoughts:
>
> 1. I've been working a little bit now you have automated other data to
> hand enter the (limited) detailed cuts info we had from:
> http://wheredoesmymoneygo.org/cuts/ effort.
>
> One example is: <http://www.culture.gov.uk/news/media_releases/7297.aspx>
>
> Most of these cuts are to general UK-wide bodies (e.g. UK Film
> Council). At the moment I am coding these geographically as London. Is
> this sensible?
>
> 2. At the moment it appears a hand-entered cut has to be manually
> approved before it goes live -- any way to bring in more moderators ;)
>
> 3. Second Lisa's comments about amounts. Could not see a field to
> enter the amount (which would be useful to have -- when it is known).
>
> Rufus
>
> PS: if you want OKF logo you can find it here:
> <http://m.okfn.org/images/logo/okf_logo_white_and_green.png>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:55:03 +0100
> From: Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [wdmmg-discuss] Cuts website live
> To: Lisa Evans <lisa.evans at okfn.org>
> Cc: Where does my money go? <wdmmg-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <AANLkTikAuZLHvEJT8fYTRxFJoQ=vAVum4bQZCxLqB9df at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Lisa Evans <lisa.evans at okfn.org> wrote:
> > This is excellent, very engaging and neat to explore.
> >
> > In addition to reporting a cut, what other ways would you like people to
> > make more sense of the reported cuts?
>
> I'm going to repurpose the comments to ask people to add specific bits
> of information. This will be especially useful for the schools data -
> was it just a couple of new computers or replacing a leaking roof etc.
>
> >
> > For example this cut http://wherearethecuts.org/reports/view/2234, there
> is
> > no amount given, so are people here encouraged to read the source and add
> > comments on how much is cut?
>
> Yes, i'm going to make the news link much more obvious. When it gets
> down to a local level, the amounts are not always that clear, or might
> be announced over different time periods, so the context is important.
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Richard Pope wrote:
> >
> >> I have the Advantage West Midlands and Arts Council data loaded, still
> >> working on Schools cuts:
> >>
> >> http://wherearethecuts.org/
> >>
> >> Thoughts / suggestions?
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> /*
> richard at memespring.co.uk
> memespring.co.uk
> ++44 7976730458
> memespring (flickr/skype/etc)
> memspr (aim)
> */
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:00:03 +0100
> From: Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [wdmmg-discuss] Cuts website live
> To: rufus.pollock at okfn.org
> Cc: Where does my money go? <wdmmg-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <AANLkTimbrxpKsr5+648v3Z5HAvbxnuqp2v-yRaEZ4TWg at mail.gmail.com<AANLkTimbrxpKsr5%2B648v3Z5HAvbxnuqp2v-yRaEZ4TWg at mail.gmail.com>
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
> wrote:
> > On 17 October 2010 22:19, Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk> wrote:
> >> I have the Advantage West Midlands and Arts Council data loaded, still
> >> working on Schools cuts:
> >>
> >> http://wherearethecuts.org/
> >>
> >> Thoughts / suggestions?
> >
> > First off: this is great! Brilliant idea to re-purpose Ushashidi.
> > Really, really good. Some thoughts:
> >
> > 1. I've been working a little bit now you have automated other data to
> > hand enter the (limited) detailed cuts info we had from:
> > http://wheredoesmymoneygo.org/cuts/ effort.
> >
> > One example is: <http://www.culture.gov.uk/news/media_releases/7297.aspx
> >
> >
> > Most of these cuts are to general UK-wide bodies (e.g. UK Film
> > Council). At the moment I am coding these geographically as London. Is
> > this sensible?
>
> hmm. If possible I think we should try and find the next level down.
> e.g. if the film council is going, we should be able to get a list fo
> all active programmes.
>
> >
> > 2. At the moment it appears a hand-entered cut has to be manually
> > approved before it goes live -- any way to bring in more moderators ;)
>
> I'll add a 'Get involved' section to the about page asking for
> moderators and  data sleuths. Should I point them at this list or if
> not can we have a team@ email address?
>
> >
> > 3. Second Lisa's comments about amounts. Could not see a field to
> > enter the amount (which would be useful to have -- when it is known).
>
> See above comments, but yes I'll see if its possible to hack an
> explicit field in.
>
> >
> > Rufus
> >
> > PS: if you want OKF logo you can find it here:
> > <http://m.okfn.org/images/logo/okf_logo_white_and_green.png>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> /*
> richard at memespring.co.uk
> memespring.co.uk
> ++44 7976730458
> memespring (flickr/skype/etc)
> memspr (aim)
> */
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:34:39 +0100
> From: Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
> Subject: Re: [wdmmg-discuss] Cuts website live
> To: richard at memespring.co.uk
> Cc: Where does my money go? <wdmmg-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <AANLkTi=z0aiOUMw_ws4HiiU8KOoeWMOFDJ3HhLx7ZOBu at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On 18 October 2010 10:00, Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
> wrote:
> >> On 17 October 2010 22:19, Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>> I have the Advantage West Midlands and Arts Council data loaded, still
> >>> working on Schools cuts:
> >>>
> >>> http://wherearethecuts.org/
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts / suggestions?
> >>
> >> First off: this is great! Brilliant idea to re-purpose Ushashidi.
> >> Really, really good. Some thoughts:
> >>
> >> 1. I've been working a little bit now you have automated other data to
> >> hand enter the (limited) detailed cuts info we had from:
> >> http://wheredoesmymoneygo.org/cuts/ effort.
> >>
> >> One example is: <
> http://www.culture.gov.uk/news/media_releases/7297.aspx>
> >>
> >> Most of these cuts are to general UK-wide bodies (e.g. UK Film
> >> Council). At the moment I am coding these geographically as London. Is
> >> this sensible?
> >
> > hmm. If possible I think we should try and find the next level down.
> > e.g. if the film council is going, we should be able to get a list fo
> > all active programmes.
>
> But things like the UK Film Council were funding projects UK wide I
> imagine. Similarly for the Museums, Libraries and Archives Council --
> but we can dig!
>
> >> 2. At the moment it appears a hand-entered cut has to be manually
> >> approved before it goes live -- any way to bring in more moderators ;)
> >
> > I'll add a 'Get involved' section to the about page asking for
> > moderators and ?data sleuths. Should I point them at this list or if
> > not can we have a team@ email address?
>
> I think both, but often the email alias is better so I'll set up
> team at wherearethecuts.org now and forward to you, Jordan Hatch (you
> happy for this Jordan?), Lisa and myself.
>
> >>
> >> 3. Second Lisa's comments about amounts. Could not see a field to
> >> enter the amount (which would be useful to have -- when it is known).
> >
> > See above comments, but yes I'll see if its possible to hack an
> > explicit field in.
>
> Great.
>
> Rufus
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:42:39 +0100
> From: "Kathryn.Corrick" <kathryn.corrick at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wdmmg-discuss] Cuts website live
> To: "rufus.pollock at okfn.org" <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
> Cc: Where does my money go? <wdmmg-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> Message-ID: <35F5DFF5-98CD-4AB2-8B8C-DE09F69FCD37 at googlemail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
>
> Hiya,
> Let me know if/when it's at a point where we want public help and I'll
> tweet it. Just let me know specifically the needs and where folk should go.
> Would suggest this list might not be the best for that as could get
> confusing and over run.
>
> Kathryn
>
> Sent from my phone.
>
> On 18 Oct 2010, at 10:34, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org> wrote:
>
> > On 18 October 2010 10:00, Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
> wrote:
> >>> On 17 October 2010 22:19, Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>> I have the Advantage West Midlands and Arts Council data loaded, still
> >>>> working on Schools cuts:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://wherearethecuts.org/
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts / suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> First off: this is great! Brilliant idea to re-purpose Ushashidi.
> >>> Really, really good. Some thoughts:
> >>>
> >>> 1. I've been working a little bit now you have automated other data to
> >>> hand enter the (limited) detailed cuts info we had from:
> >>> http://wheredoesmymoneygo.org/cuts/ effort.
> >>>
> >>> One example is: <
> http://www.culture.gov.uk/news/media_releases/7297.aspx>
> >>>
> >>> Most of these cuts are to general UK-wide bodies (e.g. UK Film
> >>> Council). At the moment I am coding these geographically as London. Is
> >>> this sensible?
> >>
> >> hmm. If possible I think we should try and find the next level down.
> >> e.g. if the film council is going, we should be able to get a list fo
> >> all active programmes.
> >
> > But things like the UK Film Council were funding projects UK wide I
> > imagine. Similarly for the Museums, Libraries and Archives Council --
> > but we can dig!
> >
> >>> 2. At the moment it appears a hand-entered cut has to be manually
> >>> approved before it goes live -- any way to bring in more moderators ;)
> >>
> >> I'll add a 'Get involved' section to the about page asking for
> >> moderators and  data sleuths. Should I point them at this list or if
> >> not can we have a team@ email address?
> >
> > I think both, but often the email alias is better so I'll set up
> > team at wherearethecuts.org now and forward to you, Jordan Hatch (you
> > happy for this Jordan?), Lisa and myself.
> >
> >>>
> >>> 3. Second Lisa's comments about amounts. Could not see a field to
> >>> enter the amount (which would be useful to have -- when it is known).
> >>
> >> See above comments, but yes I'll see if its possible to hack an
> >> explicit field in.
> >
> > Great.
> >
> > Rufus
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > wdmmg-discuss mailing list
> > wdmmg-discuss at lists.okfn.org
> > http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/wdmmg-discuss
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:42:45 +0100
> From: Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [wdmmg-discuss] Cuts website live
> To: rufus.pollock at okfn.org
> Cc: Where does my money go? <wdmmg-discuss at lists.okfn.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <AANLkTik=F=AM7+OrsDtAA56wajQR0Z1+dyH0j-8z=C4C at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
> wrote:
> > On 18 October 2010 10:00, Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Rufus Pollock <rufus.pollock at okfn.org>
> wrote:
> >>> On 17 October 2010 22:19, Richard Pope <richard at memespring.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>> I have the Advantage West Midlands and Arts Council data loaded, still
> >>>> working on Schools cuts:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://wherearethecuts.org/
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts / suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> First off: this is great! Brilliant idea to re-purpose Ushashidi.
> >>> Really, really good. Some thoughts:
> >>>
> >>> 1. I've been working a little bit now you have automated other data to
> >>> hand enter the (limited) detailed cuts info we had from:
> >>> http://wheredoesmymoneygo.org/cuts/ effort.
> >>>
> >>> One example is: <
> http://www.culture.gov.uk/news/media_releases/7297.aspx>
> >>>
> >>> Most of these cuts are to general UK-wide bodies (e.g. UK Film
> >>> Council). At the moment I am coding these geographically as London. Is
> >>> this sensible?
> >>
> >> hmm. If possible I think we should try and find the next level down.
> >> e.g. if the film council is going, we should be able to get a list fo
> >> all active programmes.
> >
> > But things like the UK Film Council were funding projects UK wide I
> > imagine. Similarly for the Museums, Libraries and Archives Council --
> > but we can dig!
>
> Yes, but I've been quite lucky so far - e.g. both Advantage West
> Midlands funded regionally and the Arts Council funded nationally, but
> I've managed to get the the details of the actual programmes.
>
> >
> >>> 2. At the moment it appears a hand-entered cut has to be manually
> >>> approved before it goes live -- any way to bring in more moderators ;)
> >>
> >> I'll add a 'Get involved' section to the about page asking for
> >> moderators and ?data sleuths. Should I point them at this list or if
> >> not can we have a team@ email address?
> >
> > I think both, but often the email alias is better so I'll set up
> > team at wherearethecuts.org now and forward to you, Jordan Hatch (you
> > happy for this Jordan?), Lisa and myself.
>
> Cool. Added the logo btw.
>
> >
> >>>
> >>> 3. Second Lisa's comments about amounts. Could not see a field to
> >>> enter the amount (which would be useful to have -- when it is known).
> >>
> >> See above comments, but yes I'll see if its possible to hack an
> >> explicit field in.
> >
> > Great.
> >
> > Rufus
> >
>
>
>
> --
> /*
> richard at memespring.co.uk
> memespring.co.uk
> ++44 7976730458
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> memspr (aim)
> */
>
>
>
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