[pd-discuss] What We Hope the Digital Public Library of America Will Become

Thu Apr 25 12:48:46 UTC 2013

Hi all,

Coming back to that hackathon idea.

For large scale public domain calculation we will need a lot of structured open metadata about authors and publications, we also need to have developers not necessarily connected to wanting to do public domain calculation.

I was thinking of joining the Wikimedia Hackathon 2013 in Amsterdam (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2013) and try to find a developer or two who want to create a bot for WikiData with the flowcharts that are on outofcopyright.eu and http://publicdomain.okfn.org/calculators/ feeding found copyright statements back into Wikidata.

Is there anyone on this list that likes this idea as well?

Cheers,

Maarten

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On Apr 24, 2013, at 8:55 , Paul Keller <pk at kl.nl> wrote:

> yes. this by the way is very much the same at Europeana. Europeana has published a booklet describing their framework at the end of 2011, which also goes into some of the design decisions that were made to arrive at such a model: http://pro.europeana.eu/documents/858566/7f14c82a-f76c-4f4f-b8a7-600d2168a73d
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> On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 at 23:10 , Tom Morris wrote:
> 
>> There are actually a couple of other exceptions for previews & the
>> DPLA marks, so let me try again:
>> 
>> Metadata - all contributed metadata is CC0 (and the DPLA asserts that
>> they believe most of it is not copyrightable anyway)
>> Images, Video, & Audio on DPLA site - individually licensed per rights
>> statements in metadata (this covers thumbnails, previews, etc on DPLA
>> site)
>> User contributed content - CC-BY (ambiguous as to whether required
>> attribution is to DPLA only or original contributor)
>> DPLA marks, dress, look & feel - all rights reserved
>> Actual content - individually licensed per rights statements in
>> metadata (note that none of this is, currently, hosted on the DPLA
>> site, but on the original owning institutions sites)
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Tom Morris <tfmorris at gmail.com (mailto:tfmorris at gmail.com)> wrote:
>>> That blogger didn't read the Terms of Service carefully enough. The
>>> actual item contents are under a potluck of licenses, but all DPLA
>>> content (not cataloged content) *except* the metadata is released
>>> under CC-BY. The metadata is all explicitly CC0:
>>> 
>>> http://dp.la/info/terms/
>>> 
>>> 5.2. Metadata
>>> 
>>> All Metadata has been dedicated to the public pursuant to Creative
>>> Commons’ CC0 public domain dedication, and is available for download
>>> through DPLA’s Metadata API. Please read DPLA’s Metadata Policy for
>>> more information regarding the Metadata.
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Peter B. Hirtle <pbh6 at cornell.edu (mailto:pbh6 at cornell.edu)> wrote:
>>>> On point 2 below, you might be interested in the blog posting “Public
>>>> library, not public domain” at
>>>> http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2013/04/19/public-library-not-public-domain/
>>>> which makes the point that while the metadata about collection items is
>>>> released under a CC BY license, the content itself is not. Furthermore,
>>>> some repositories claim ownership and limit use of public domain material.
>>>> The author’s conclusion:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> …this is a public library, but its holdings — like those of any library —
>>>> may still be protected and can not just be assumed to be public domain. We
>>>> all need to take care to respect the rights of the contributors of the
>>>> content and any intellectual property rights of the authors and creators.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Hirtle
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: pd-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org (mailto:pd-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org)
>>>> [mailto:pd-discuss-bounces at lists.okfn.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Gray
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:42 PM
>>>> To: Public Domain discuss list
>>>> Cc: List for Working Group on Open Bibliographic Data;
>>>> open-glam at lists.okfn.org (mailto:open-glam at lists.okfn.org)
>>>> Subject: Re: [pd-discuss] What We Hope the Digital Public Library of America
>>>> Will Become
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Absolutely. Adam (Editor of the the Public Domain Review) tweeted to Dan
>>>> Cohen about this [1], but we'd still like to follow up on this with them.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I guess there are two main issues here:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> i. Copyright status of work (presumably in US in first instance) - and
>>>> here they could either do manual marking by institution (e.g. with Public
>>>> Domain Mark for things which are definitely known to be out of copyright),
>>>> and possibly could look into semi-automated with calculators, though more
>>>> work is probably needed here. Perhaps could be an interesting to do a public
>>>> domain calculation hackathon with Europeana, DPLA, WMF and others on this
>>>> topic, building on existing work in this area [2] - including with Tulane if
>>>> they plan to open up their research/code?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ii. Rights status of digital reproductions. E.g. Public Domain Mark,
>>>> openly licensed, CC licensed, claims of copyright in digital reproductions,
>>>> etc. One would hope that the DPLA would encourage use of the Public Domain
>>>> Mark amongst contributing institutions. I don't know whether there have been
>>>> any discussions of taking a principled approach to this, as per Bridgeman
>>>> and Corel (along the lines of the Wikimedia Foundation's position on this
>>>> [3]), along the lines of their position on data, but this could be an
>>>> option.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> J.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [1] https://twitter.com/PublicDomainRev/status/324935697519759361
>>>> 
>>>> [2] http://publicdomain.okfn.org/calculators/
>>>> 
>>>> [3]
>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:When_to_use_the_PD-Art_tag#The_position_of_the_WMF
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 23 April 2013 02:38, Timothy Vollmer <tvol at creativecommons.org (mailto:tvol at creativecommons.org)> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Agreed, nice post Jonathan. I think one thing the DPLA site might do is
>>>> allow search by copyright status, similar to how Europeana does it. That'd
>>>> be nice. Does anyone know if this is being considered? Of course, the site
>>>> just launched, so maybe it's on the to-do list.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.europeana.eu/portal/search.html
>>>> 
>>>> http://dp.la/search
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> tvol
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com (mailto:meta.sj at gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This is lovely. Thank you, Jonathan! What do you think of the site so far?
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 17, 2013 10:17 PM, "Jonathan Gray" <jonathan.gray at okfn.org (mailto:jonathan.gray at okfn.org)> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I just posted a piece on the Open Knowledge Foundation's blog about what we
>>>> hope the new Digital Public Library of America will become, which might be
>>>> of interest to some of you:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://blog.okfn.org/2013/04/17/what-we-hope-the-digital-public-library-of-america-will-become/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Looking forward seeing what comes out of the official launch tomorrow!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> Director of Policy and Ideas
>>>> 
>>>> The Open Knowledge Foundation | @okfn
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