[wsfii-discuss] Re: wsfii-discuss Digest, Vol 10, Issue 2

kdag funkzvv at gmail.com
Fri Dec 2 19:18:36 UTC 2005 

hola de nuevo,

first Ramon, thanks a lot for taking your time and explaining your
position, i share a similar view towards fun, this and few other
"movements" that are beginning to appear in our local context in
colombia, some of them using the disguise of the Free/Libre
philosphy..the lifestyle for capitalist pratices...

about the code for drupal, i'm more than interested, and certainly
translating from catala to spanish won't be to difficult. The map
interface is really impressive.

http://guifi.net/ca/node/2413/view/map

just let me know where we shall begin and i will introduce this
project to altred to begin a collaborative translation of the drupal
module.

en la buena,
/alejo


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> hola ramon, hola lista.
>
> yea i wanted to share our renewed website..its our 2 years old project
> in medellin colombia that evolved into something called altred
> (national scope gathering the different project from the country)
>
> Ramon, i will like to understand better your group's position towards
> a project like FON, in colombia im sure this will be replicated soon
> and theres some unrest and of course fears from some members of our
> growing projects (scattered nodes some linked via OLSR). Im trully
> inviting your feedback in a very informal way, maybe more in a
> conceptual than a technical approach (it that can be dissasociate, i
> doubt so) since i know guifi net has developed a strong structure that
> allows growing and that can whitstand something like FON...yea i will
> be interested in using it as a model down south.
>
> oke, here the link of our project:
> http://www.medellinwireless.net/
>
> buen finde,
> /alejo
>
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> > From: Ramon Roca <ramon.roca at guifi.net>
> > Subject: [wsfii-discuss] Hi from guifi.net
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> > I'm new on this list, I just heard from it through a king email from
> > Julian Priest, and want to say hi.
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> > I'm involved in guifi.net (http://guifi.net) which is a non-profit
> > organization that helps to variety local communities to build wireless
> > networks.
> > I've just been browsing wsfii and I do identify clearly same objectives,
> > so count us for strengthening the free networks ;)
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> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:19:14 +0100
> From: Ramon Roca <ramon.roca at guifi.net>
> Subject: Re: [wsfii-discuss] Re: wsfii-discuss Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1
> To: Discuss list on the World Summit on Free Information
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> As a group, the position is clear: work seriously, be focused in what we
> can do, continue with our healthy growth and stay away of any hype. Time
> to time there has been many initiatives with more or less noise that
> just crashed, typically those things just introduce risk, that also
> applies clearly to fon. No need to link to Fon until gets real and
> clarified.
>
> Personally, I was somewhat involved raising questions to Fon. They were
> using a freeneworks speech it and presenting as a "movimiento" or
> "revolution", a smart millionaire going to invest in free networks with
> a new business model, but after a while and investigating we saw that
> there was no real significant investement, at least yet, just
> replicating what we were already doing (work together with
> municipalities, schools, using "iglesias", bandwidth sharing...) but
> leaving some basic things unexplained and announcing many things like
> they was already something available or going a be in a short time frame
> and coming by their hand, announcements of false partnerships/alliances
> (including us), etc.
>
> We do clearly collaborate with private companies on the basis that the
> network is neutral to them, but open to their investments as long as
> they respect our license. We started to get some success stories on
> that. On the beginning I thought that it can be another interesting
> initiative, but Fon failed clarifying those very basic questions and the
> way they communicate their message, and worst than this, reacted badly,
> attacking us just because we weren't simply embracing them directly,
> trying to patent the bandwidth sharing/redistributing, saying that we
> were radials against private companies (we clearly aren't...) and few
> other dirty things. On the other hand Martin as well as a benefactor to
> his foundations, is also known from becoming a millionaire not for
> driving a company with a real business, he just started them during the
> internet hype, and sold at x100 of current value. Therefore you can
> imagine that many small investors who lost their savings because of the
> internet hype, now still remember those days.
>
> Reality is that fon is still just noise at the blogosphere level. There
> is no a truly open project behind them, just a private company and the
> firmware that they have released and although is openwrt based, turns
> the radio into a hot spot locked into fon as a service provider... They
> have moderated a little bit their message, but still on the same way...
> It hasn't to be that difficult to dialog/clarify those very basic....
> so... is up to them.
>
> In a summary: No way to have any kind of relationship with Fon until
> things get clear. We have to wait how evolves and keep our eyes on that,
> but wasting more time than necessary on it.
>
> Changing the topic, I was just taking a look at altred. That looks very
> close to what we did at guifi.net for local communities here. I'm also
> able to see that you have used drupal for that. At guifi we wrote a
> module for drupal for supporting this (maps, node and services database,
> monitoring tools, network addresses assignments, automatic
> configurations for some firmwares when is possible...). That's about
> thousands of lines of code and more than a year of development. It's
> still Catalan but has to be quite easy to translate to Spanish if you
> wish, so count with us if you want to setup that for altred.
>
> Ramon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> En/na kdag ha escrit:
>
> >hola ramon, hola lista.
> >
> >yea i wanted to share our renewed website..its our 2 years old project
> >in medellin colombia that evolved into something called altred
> >(national scope gathering the different project from the country)
> >
> >Ramon, i will like to understand better your group's position towards
> >a project like FON, in colombia im sure this will be replicated soon
> >and theres some unrest and of course fears from some members of our
> >growing projects (scattered nodes some linked via OLSR). Im trully
> >inviting your feedback in a very informal way, maybe more in a
> >conceptual than a technical approach (it that can be dissasociate, i
> >doubt so) since i know guifi net has developed a strong structure that
> >allows growing and that can whitstand something like FON...yea i will
> >be interested in using it as a model down south.
> >
> >oke, here the link of our project:
> >http://www.medellinwireless.net/
> >
> >buen finde,
> >/alejo
> >
> >
> >
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> >>Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:51:00 +0100
> >>From: Ramon Roca <ramon.roca at guifi.net>
> >>Subject: [wsfii-discuss] Hi from guifi.net
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> >>I'm new on this list, I just heard from it through a king email from
> >>Julian Priest, and want to say hi.
> >>
> >>I'm involved in guifi.net (http://guifi.net) which is a non-profit
> >>organization that helps to variety local communities to build wireless
> >>networks.
> >>I've just been browsing wsfii and I do identify clearly same objectives,
> >>so count us for strengthening the free networks ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>
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